+DjayBee Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Nope, the image in my post is done with a standard sector copier and lacks any feature beyond empty/used/bad. Having this information is helpful in cracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 For Phantom Sectors you would need to display something like P15 as in Spy vs. Spy on Track#1 Sector#1. That would need a display width of (18*5) 90 characters minimum per track for a uniform display (which the current display wouldn't fit), so instead I would just display a "p" to signify a Phantom Sector and show the Sector Count as you moved the mouse over that sector or probably after clicking on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Ah, OK. I was thinking of just one character per sector and for phantoms one hex-digit showing the number of sectors (accepting the seldom shortcoming that it is not possible to show more than 15 phantoms of the same sector). Selfish as I am, I would like to have it for documentation purposes (where I cannot hover the mouse over something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 Ah, OK. I was thinking of just one character per sector and for phantoms one hex-digit showing the number of sectors (accepting the seldom shortcoming that it is not possible to show more than 15 phantoms of the same sector). Selfish as I am, I would like to have it for documentation purposes (where I cannot hover the mouse over something). Well, if you can show me a good design of a sector layout using a phantom sector with a count >15, I'll implement it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 How about the following? O (bold) used sector . empty sector 2-9A-I 2-18 phantoms of the same sector number # more than 18 phantoms Bad states (all in inverse color): blank missing sectord deleted sector c bad crc w weak bits e extended data l lost data If there are phantom sectors with bad state then invert the phantom-count as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) How about the following? O (bold) used sector . empty sector 2-9A-I 2-18 phantoms of the same sector number # more than 18 phantoms Bad states (all in inverse color): blank missing sector d deleted sector c bad crc w weak bits e extended data l lost data If there are phantom sectors with bad state then invert the phantom-count as well. This is what my preliminary version looks like: The colors still need tweaking... Edited May 20, 2016 by AtariGeezer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Why don't you omit the brackets and rotate it by 90 degrees? That way the whole disk fits in one window without the need to scroll. And I believe it would be more readable without the brackets. I prefer seeing how many phantoms there are instead of just a "p". I found a bug in the current version: If you drag&drop a file onto atrtools.exe, it will leave back a file atari.fon in the directory with the disk image you opened. The colors still need tweaking... Still rubbing my eyes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 If it was rotated by 90 degrees, you would still need to reserve space for 120 to 160 characters wide: "p18" for 18 P)hantom Sectors, plus a space in-between, otherwise it would be a jumbled mess by showing "p02p02p04p02p02 - b b b b b b b b". You would still need 3-4 characters per sector for a uniform display. You will be able to Tab-Back to the "Track View" to see what those Phantom Sectors are... Yeah, it's still dropping F)ont Bombs now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 I think I have the final solution: The Sector Map display now supports different ATR sizes: Single, Enhanced to 16meg... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Looks great - I like the darker colours, they are very easy on my eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Looks great - I like the darker colours, they are very easy on my eyes. Especially with aging eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How about accomodating colorblind people? And, besides, many utilities like this have configurable color coding. Shouldn't be that hard to implement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 How about accomodating colorblind people? And, besides, many utilities like this have configurable color coding. Shouldn't be that hard to implement. Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How about accomodating colorblind people? And, besides, many utilities like this have configurable color coding. Shouldn't be that hard to implement. I'm also rather severely colour blind. I think that's why I liked the dark black, with saturated R, G, B on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Phantom Sectors are... Great work, just a semantic comment ... The most common term for what you are calling phantom sectors is "double" or "duplicate" sectors. I know there is no official or formal terminology here. But if you check the manuals for the three most important copy protected copiers (Archiver by Spartan, SuperArchiver by CSS, and Happy), you will see they don't use phantom. Most other platforms also use double or duplicate sectors. And also phantom sectors sometimes was used for sectors with weak bits. I think the term phantom was used by the book Copy Protection Techniques? Well, anyway, it's just semantics ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Great work, just a semantic comment ... The most common term for what you are calling phantom sectors is "double" or "duplicate" sectors. I know there is no official or formal terminology here. But if you check the manuals for the three most important copy protected copiers (Archiver by Spartan, SuperArchiver by CSS, and Happy), you will see they don't use phantom. Most other platforms also use double or duplicate sectors. And also phantom sectors sometimes was used for sectors with weak bits. I think the term phantom was used by the book Copy Protection Techniques? Well, anyway, it's just semantics ... Yep, I know. that was just a reference for DjayBee to see:) I'll be changing that tonight with the correct term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Yep, I know. that was just a reference for DjayBee to see:) I'll be changing that tonight with the correct term... ROFL We always talked of duplicate sectors here in Germany. Only when I recently saw that everywhere else people are using the term phantom sectors, I changed this. And yes, the new layout looks fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Love the layout, I suppose if you wanted to please all you could offer a colour picker gui option so people could do 'their thing'.. The dark looks good to my eye's to though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I have two more feature requests. *beg*beg* Being able to define the position of the VTOC for disks with a non-standard format (see attachment with a VTOC at sector 362) Export one or all files from an image TNX Word Games (1982)(MECC)(US)BASIC.atr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 I have two more feature requests. *beg*beg* Being able to define the position of the VTOC for disks with a non-standard format (see attachment with a VTOC at sector 362) Export one or all files from an image TNX 1). Yep, and also the first Directory Sector. 2). Currently you can Right-Click on a file and Extract it, but I'll see about Extracting Multiple Files... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcokitt2000 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hello AtariGeezer, The latest version not working in windows 7 64bit home premium a older version works ok. Do you now what the problems is? or someone else. Greetings Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hello AtariGeezer, The latest version not working in windows 7 64bit home premium a older version works ok. Do you now what the problems is? or someone else. Greetings Marco Which version does work for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcokitt2000 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hello AtariGeezer, From the first post here. I have the latest version wich instal the program it start in the background of windows manager i see that is running but no window. I have all so used windows complicatie settings that it runs as a win xp. i hope therexis a fix i like your program. Greetings Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hmmm, the first version was in Visual Basic. I have since re-written it in C++ for Win32 development. I'll look around for a reason why that is happening... Thanks for the report, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcokitt2000 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thnxxx for all the help. No problem i will test it later on a other pc. Maybe my windows do strange. Gr. Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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