Marsupilami Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Hi @ll, i'd like to dump a few european cartridges which are still missing @Atarimania (MiKrosoft Basic (germany),Microsoft Basic II (Germany), Atari Logo (France -not even listed- and Germany). Do you have a "Dumping Cartridges for dummies" somewhere ? Digging the web leads to a lot of 404... If found this (https://sites.google.com/site/ataripal/cartdump) but it's not really clear. I'm looking for something simple, step by step guide since i'm not a programmer My tools : A PC, An Atari 800xl + peripherals, a SIO2PC and APE Pro. Of course i don't have any soldering knowledge either. Thanks a lot, i know we have a lot of guru here who will find my question...well...stupid. I assume Regards, Marsup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 where are you located i France? near Paris?.. i will be there next month and can show you how its done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The Cartridges you mentioned should be 8k or 16k so you can make a backup of these with no additional hardware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Dumping cartridges? Wooo i thought people today release games on carts to prevent any piracy. Lol! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Dumping cartridges? Wooo i thought people today release games on carts to prevent any piracy. Lol! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miker Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Dumping cartridges? Wooo i thought people today release games on carts to prevent any piracy. Lol! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I am only repeating what I have heard.... or read.... nothing more, nothing less. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Hi @ll, i'd like to dump a few european cartridges which are still missing @Atarimania (MiKrosoft Basic (germany),Microsoft Basic II (Germany), Atari Logo (France -not even listed- and Germany). Do you have a "Dumping Cartridges for dummies" somewhere ? Regards, Marsup. Cart copy utilities.zip (unzip to get Atr image) contains several Cartridge copiers,e.g. CARTDUMP.DOC CARTDUMP.OBJ ----------------------------- CARTCOPY.atr Autoboot disk image. Basic program ----------------------------- Cart Clone v2.4 XL.atr Binary type cartridge copier. Self boot ATR disk image madi Cart Clone v2.4 XL.atr Cart copy utilities.zip CARTCOPY.atr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 @Ndary : Thanks for you offer but i live at 300km from Paris @Madi : Thanks i will try your tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I made a video to show how its done https://youtu.be/Ham1-4lKBJ4 Nir 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Nice and simple. Sure will help many folks Thanks madi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Thanks a lot for the video Ndary. I will try this and post the resulting files here. The next question is : Is it possible to run the file you obtain with this method ? I know that converting the result to ATR needs some work on the binary file because of the R/W protection method so i hope someone will be able to do it with my dumps. I also found some threads here saying that it's doable with some emulators but this solution seems to easy to be true. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Most of the copying programs, do not alter the cartridge binary contents. However some of these copiers will add an extra 6 bytes as a loading header to the cartridge copy (game/program). Most copied cartridges will crash due to protection codes when loaded. Although, there are many ways to make a cartridge copy works, the best way is to remove the first 6 bytes (if they were added by the copying program) and rename the file extension to .ROM. Use Altirra emulator to load and execute it. This way, the cartridge code will be preserved (intact). madi Edited September 8, 2016 by Madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Hi, I finally managed to dump my first ROM ! First i had to use the same version of cartdridge dumper. There is a 2.0 release vailable but it killed 2 floppies.... Then - i formatted a blank floppy with Mydos45. I took some time to find because the Cartdridge dumper seems to write to this format only. - i followed your video - Used APE to transfert the floppy to an ATR File. - Opened the ATR with ATADIM (in windows 95 compatibility mode) - Extracted the ROM file from the ATR. - Renamed the file with .ROM extension - Loaded the ROM in Altirra...Victory ! Here's the result : The French Atari Logo Cartdridge (not yet referenced in Atarimania) is now saved for the first time ! LOGO - French Cartridge - dump - Marsupilami.ROM Edited September 13, 2016 by Marsupilami 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thanks, Marsup. I just added it to Atarimania. Do you have any documents for the cart? Could you take a strait-down picture of the cart? Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Not a single Alamagordo joke yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thanks, Marsup. I just added it to Atarimania. Do you have any documents for the cart? Could you take a strait-down picture of the cart? Allan Nice, The documentation is huge (~300 pages) so i'm not sure i'll be able to do it quickly. But i have some pictures for you, see below. Regards, Marsup 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 @Allan, IMHO,you can put a rarity 9 on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hi marsupilami The Cartdump 2.0 software does not produce dos file.. You need extra tool to extract the bin image.. Ver1 is what best for 8k or 16k V2.0 is good for xegs cartridges Let me know if you need more help Nir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Hi, I have some troubles with the german version of "Atari Writer" cart i've dumped. It looked fine until i did more tests with it : Everything is fine until i use the "Inhaltsverzeichnis" Menu in Altirra (Table of Contents). So : Is it a problem with my method ? With my file ? A kind of copy protection ? I'll appreciate your help. File is attached. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Is there a DOS disk in the disk drive when you use that option? Not sure what DOS's Atariwriter supports but most likely 2.0 2.5 and 3.0 as standard and any DOS's that support standard densities.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1050 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 More to the actual point I'm thinking, did you first boot DOS when using that cartridge because that would be a MUST do move first off. No file attached, you'll have to use the orange box at the bottom that says More Reply Options in order to attach a file in that series of reply boxes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsupilami Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) Oops, i don't know what happened with my file, anyway, here it is a a link : http://minu.me/fofg With a DOS disk in Altirra, it's better indeed, it gives the floppy directory. But the original cartridge in a real 800XL is throwing an error instead of this garbled chars. Atari Schreiber - CART - RXG 8036 - Copie.zip Edited May 14, 2018 by Marsupilami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1050 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Which error? As in the error number please. And which DOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santosp Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) I convert the .rom file to .car, and load it on eclaireXL within cartridge loader. The cartridge load normally, and choosing the "I" option I see in my screen "Gerat nicht angeschlossen - Prufen!" message. Not some error. Edited May 24, 2018 by santosp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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