Rev Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Lock N Chase made it into 2016 GOTY. And it was just a cart with a minuscule variation of the death animation. Why would Blue Sky Rangers release of Hocky not be included? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 That is a good a question. Slap shot carts themselves are unmodified. Slap Shot just got new window dressing. Lock N Chase was different code and a new PCB board. Which brings up the question of Mouse Trap, was it part of the GOTY? I have to say window dressing does not count as a release. It will not be included on My Non-Variant List, unfortunately this means I am taking Mouse Trap off for the same reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 That is a good a question. Slap shot carts themselves are unmodified. Slap Shot just got new window dressing. I have to say window dressing does not count as a release. If Slap Shot is included for just window dressing, Then why not include empty boxes of unreleased games ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The video game crash of 1983 (known as the Atari shock in Japan) was a large-scale recession in the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985, primarily in North America. The crash was attributed to several factors, including market saturation in the number of game consoles and "available games", Not saying there is a crash coming but just because lots of new games are being released doesn't mean that a crash is not happing . That in itself can contribute to a crash ,like it contributed in 1983.. More games being released is a good thing for the consumer . They question is are there enough consumers to support what ever number of games are being released... Once again I am not saying that there is a crash happing.. Just throwing some points out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 as CIB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 as CIB? Was it not released in a baggie and a kit to upgrade to boxes produced by someone else.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Was it not released in a baggie and a kit to upgrade to boxes produced by someone else.. Slam it together and it's CIB. Or do you think I have the boxes only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Slam it together and it's CIB. Or do you think I have the boxes only? lol all good , yes when you put both releases they Become CIB , but the game was released in a Baggie and the question was were these released in CIB... Edited December 28, 2018 by m-crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 lol all good , yes when you put both releases they Become CIB , but the game was released in a Baggie and the question was were these released in CIB... They were meant to be CIB from the beginning. It was a joint operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I dont even want the re-boxed slap shot because I have the original and would basically be paying for just a new box. It is not a new or even close to original game from this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) These [upMonsters & Pumpkin Master] aren't the first to be done this way. Remember Intelligentvision's last few games? Buy a pcb only, then the manual and overlays, and lastly the box. Doing releases this way can complicate things if we insist on CIB as a requirement for GOTY. Imagine a 2018 cart only release that gets an unplanned box/manual/overlays kit in 2019. It would have missed out on 2018 GOTY, but wouldn't really be a 2019 release either. Edited December 28, 2018 by JasonlikesINTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 They were meant to be CIB from the beginning. It was a joint operation. That may be the case but there is potential for people just to buy the baggie release only and not the box so meant is meant to be but did not get released as a CIB. Two payments to two different producers does not make it a full CIB release. A full CIB is when purchased for a single price Complete In Box from a single producer with no potential of not having empty boxes or just a baggie with the game release. Its a Baggie Release no matter how its tried to justify it as a CIB release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) These [upMonsters & Pumpkin Master] aren't the first to be done this way. Remember Intelligentvision's last few games? Buy a pcb only, then the manual and overlays, and lastly the box. Doing releases this way can complicate things if we insist on CIB as a requirement for GOTY. Imagine a 2018 cart only release that gets an unplanned box/manual/overlays kit in 2019. It would have missed out on 2018 GOTY, but wouldn't really be a 2019 release either. No one insisted that GOTY be a CIB only ? How did that come across ? But those points your listed all justify that all those releases were not CIB realesses. Edited December 28, 2018 by m-crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) That is a good a question. Slap shot carts themselves are unmodified. Slap Shot just got new window dressing. Lock N Chase was different code and a new PCB board. Which brings up the question of Mouse Trap, was it part of the GOTY? I have to say window dressing does not count as a release. It will not be included on My Non-Variant List, unfortunately this means I am taking Mouse Trap off for the same reasons. That sounds good. Edited December 28, 2018 by Rev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+the1hatman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I fail to see how having a box or not makes any difference when determining the game of the year. Did someone release a game in 2018? Was it amazing? Then who cares if it came CIB or got an upgrade kit later or even if it was just a rom? A great game is a great game. If folks want to use CIB/baggie/rom only as categories, that's fine, but otherwise it shouldn't matter. Boxes are for collectors, games are for players. I may be both but I still believe these polls are not for collecting awards. This should be about programming and playing great games only. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Is CIB required for the competition? Edited December 28, 2018 by Intymike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I fail to see how having a box or not makes any difference when determining the game of the year. Did someone release a game in 2018? Was it amazing? Then who cares if it came CIB or got an upgrade kit later or even if it was just a rom? A great game is a great game. If folks want to use CIB/baggie/rom only as categories, that's fine, but otherwise it shouldn't matter. Boxes are for collectors, games are for players. I may be both but I still believe these polls are not for collecting awards. This should be about programming and playing great games only. Exactly ... I was just about to post this... GOTY in my opinion should include all physical releases of new games- as long as they have been released in Cart form CIB/baggie /board/. What happens after to them doesn't really matter... CIBs being split apart/baggies getting boxes / boards getting shells and boxes.. Its imo the physical release of a new programmed game Rom ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) I thought this had all been discussed in previous GOTY threads. Allowing cart only or ROM only can add a bunch of games, just from the programming contest alone. I'm not saying this is a bad thing or that they shouldn't be included, but it raised the question of what standards we wanted to use for GOTY. Some suggested it should be reserved for well polished CIB releases. Others suggested having a separate category for ROM only. Others suggested allowing everything and just let the votes decide. Edit: We have historically allowed cart only games. I was remembering incorrectly. Edited December 28, 2018 by JasonlikesINTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Piggy Bank was released CIB (=Complete In Bag), won the competition (GOTY 2015) and nobody complained at the time Has anything changed since then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I thought this had all been discussed in previous GOTY threads. Allowing cart only or ROM only can add a bunch of games, just from the programming contest alone. I'm not saying this is a bad thing or that they shouldn't be included, but it raised the question of what standards we wanted to use for GOTY. Some suggested it should be reserved for well polished CIB releases. Others suggested having a separate category for ROM only. Others suggested allowing everything and just let the votes decide. If I remember as long as it was a physical release they would be included in the GOTY.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 buy you know age and that rock n roll life style does not help the memory .... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 There's a distinct possibility that I'm remembering all of this incorrectly and that no one should listen to me I'll try to find the previous discussions. Also, I'm not weighing in at all with an opinion here. Just trying to recollect previous discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+the1hatman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I thought this had all been discussed in previous GOTY threads. Allowing cart only or ROM only can add a bunch of games, just from the programming contest alone. I'm not saying this is a bad thing or that they shouldn't be included, but it raised the question of what standards we wanted to use for GOTY. Some suggested it should be reserved for well polished CIB releases. Others suggested having a separate category for ROM only. Others suggested allowing everything and just let the votes decide. I'm all for creating categories that all of these fit into, but ultimately this is about games and playing them. The lone exception I see would be the programming contest games since they already have a contest and winner. Seems like that would already cover those if they were GOTY contenders. Otherwise... CIB GOTY ROM GOTY CART GOTY Programming Contest Winner (Program GOTY) ...seem like the natural categories. Not sure what wouldn't fit neatly into those 4 topics. We could even vote between the winners of all 4 and create a Overall GOTY as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) I always thought GOTY meant all games. Doesnt matter what form as long as it was physical in some form. I personally dont like separating out CIB, ROM, baggie, cart, shoebox. Etc etc. One vote for GOTY in one poll. Its almost too easy. The above statements are my opinions. Edited December 28, 2018 by Rev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) I always thought GOTY meant all games. Doesn’t matter what form as long as it was physical in some form. I personally don’t like separating out COB, TOM, baggie, cart, shoebox. Etc etc. One vote for GOTY in one poll. It’s almost too easy. The above atemwmts are my opinions. My thoughts as well and are my atemwmts as well.... Edited December 28, 2018 by m-crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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