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#26 spookt OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:11 AM

I believe that even resistors and capacitors are also socketed on this thing! :)


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Posted Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:30 AM

I believe that even resistors and capacitors are also socketed on this thing! :)


Right ...


Are the sockets in sockets?

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Posted Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:16 PM

I believe that even resistors and capacitors are also socketed on this thing! :)


Right ...


Are the sockets in sockets?


no, but the RF Modulator is probly socketed too!

;')

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Posted Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:10 AM

I took pictures of the "Type 1" and "Type 4" switches and I thought it would be a good idea to add them to this thread.

Here is the switch in the 800XL "Type 1" keyboard:

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As you can see, it is the exact same ALPS switch used in the TRS-80 Model 100 portable:

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The switch has a nice, light, linear feel. Even thought this is an early version of the ALPS key-switch, keycaps are interchangeable with later ALPS keyboards, like the Apple Extended:

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Posted Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:11 AM

Here is the switch in the 800XL "Type 4" keyboard:

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Although I didn't remove the white cap, I suspect that under it is a similar switch to the DEC VT-100 (and Lear Siegler termnials) and one version of the TI-99/4a:

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Keys from the "Type 4" are interchangeable with the VT-100 and TI-99/4a (that one version - there's also an ALPS TI-99/4a) - although they have height differences which make it not really work.

Compared to the "Type 1" ALPS keyboard, the "Type 4" has a stiffer feel with more friction.

Edited by Mr.Amiga500, Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:15 AM.


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Posted Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:29 PM

Here is the switch in the 800XL "Type 4" keyboard:

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Although I didn't remove the white cap, I suspect that under it is a similar switch to the DEC VT-100 (and Lear Siegler termnials) and one version of the TI-99/4a:

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Keys from the "Type 4" are interchangeable with the VT-100 and TI-99/4a (that one version - there's also an ALPS TI-99/4a) - although they have height differences which make it not really work.

Compared to the "Type 1" ALPS keyboard, the "Type 4" has a stiffer feel with more friction.


There are two springs under the white cap, not a switch.

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Posted Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:37 PM

There are two springs under the white cap, not a switch.


Yep. The 800's HiTek and Stackpole keyboards look like the picture with metal contacts. That 800XL square plunger pushes a spring against a Mylar contact sheet.

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Posted Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:52 AM

There are two springs under the white cap, not a switch.


Fascinating. Can you take a picture? I'd do it myself, but don't want to wreck my 800XL keyboard opening the switch. (fine if you wreck yours ;))

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Posted Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:59 AM

I can probably do it when I get home since I've got some disassembled keyboards somewhere. I'll describe it, though: That middle circle in the plunger holds the top of a long, stiff, thin spring- sort of like the one in a retractable pen. It exits through a small hole in the bottom of the black plastic assembly and mashes down the contact sheet when the key is pressed. Around that thin spring is a wider and weaker spring that provides the normal key resistance.

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Posted Sat Dec 1, 2012 12:57 PM

Just discovered a nice keyboard with Cherry switches in a 600XL here (not mine):

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First time I ever encountered one of this type...

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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:52 AM

That's very interesting. I had no idea there was a Cherry swich version. Thanks for posting.

So I guess we should call that a "Type 6"?

Edited by Mr.Amiga500, Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:58 AM.


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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 9:11 AM

Just discovered a nice keyboard with Cherry switches in a 600XL here (not mine):

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First time I ever encountered one of this type...

That thing must be awesome to type on!

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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 10:55 AM

The keyboard's got a nice feel; quite short travel and much quieter than a type 1. However, it's going back to the lucky owner this week. :)

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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:12 PM

Does anyone have 6 alps plungers that they want to sell?
I have a 600 that someone must have spilled something on in the past. The metal casings are really corroded and the keys get stuck down. Have tried wire wool and wd40, and I think I have made things worse.
Also looking for one AWC plunger

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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:15 PM

Mike, I've got an Alps keyboard which is missing the whole console panel, so you're welcome to six plungers from that one.

Got plenty of AWC plungers as well...

Edited by flashjazzcat, Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:16 PM.


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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 2:15 PM

That's great news Jon.
I'll sort something out with you via pm

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Posted Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:50 PM

I've got a #4 on my 800XL (which I rescued -- was caked in dirt when i got it). I'll have to get my original 800XL out of it's box to see which one it has. Great thread, thank you.

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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:32 PM

The keyboard's got a nice feel; quite short travel and much quieter than a type 1. However, it's going back to the lucky owner this week. :)

Can you ask them if they would be willing to part with the keyboard and the 600XL it came on, and ask them to PM me?

Also...
Does anyone have a working Type 1 ot 2 keyboard they are willing to sell?

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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:14 PM

Can you ask them if they would be willing to part with the keyboard and the 600XL it came on, and ask them to PM me?


Done.

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Posted Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:00 AM

Here's my first 800XL, bought about January 1984. It is like type 2, made by AWC, Hong Kong, but it has a different number, 70166205-02, REV. 02.
The unique thing about it is the key contacts are mechanical copper, you can see in the picture with the key cap removed. No mylar. I'm not
sure if Beetle's type 2 has these type contacts, I would guess yes. I think these are the most reliable, long lasting keyboards.

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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:51 PM

Here's my first 800XL, bought about January 1984. It is like type 2, made by AWC, Hong Kong, but it has a different number, 70166205-02, REV. 02.
The unique thing about it is the key contacts are mechanical copper, you can see in the picture with the key cap removed. No mylar. I'm not
sure if Beetle's type 2 has these type contacts, I would guess yes. I think these are the most reliable, long lasting keyboards.

Uhm... This is type 3.

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Posted Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:03 AM

I have a type 3 keyboard in my main 800XL. I actually found a Type 4 NOS keyboard in storage today. I'll probably be selling it soon as I like my type 3...even tho it is not new :) It just feels a little better to type on in my personal opinion. Good thread btw, only found it now after so many years :)



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Posted Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:28 AM

I just got a "type 2" and I was surprised to see that the keycaps aren't doubleshot. They're engraved and painted. I thought all Atari keycaps were doubleshot.

 

Here is a comparison of keycaps - type 1 at top, type 2 centre, type 4 at the bottom:

 

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Posted Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:34 AM

Another thing I am wondering - notice how the "type 3" (AWC) and the Cherry keyboard (newly discovered "type 6"?) have identical keycaps. Also notice that (as seen in side photos), the "type 3" switches are not the same as the "type 2" AWC keyboard. I'd like to see the switch in the "type 3". It's possible that they're Cherry and there is no "type 6" after all. (I don't have one, so I can't check)

 

Cherry (type 6?)

 

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Type 3

 

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Edited by Mr.Amiga500, Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:43 AM.


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Posted Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:24 PM

This is my favorite keyboard, hands down. It's an AWC but I'm not sure if it's exactly like type #2. It has a nice consistent spring feel and a very thin outline on the inverse keys.

 

I've had problems with the switches going bad on the Alps (type #1), and the other AWC (type #3) has a wobbly feel to the keys in comparison. Type #5 is very sloppy/chatter-y feeling as well.

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