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#1 twh/f2 OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat May 26, 2007 1:54 PM

Hey,

could we create a list here of software which could be used with the xep80 card? I understand that there is a native driver for SpartaDosX. Which other software can be used with the XEP and which in particular in combination with spartados x?

grtx,
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#2 Mathy OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat May 26, 2007 4:41 PM

Hello TWH

There should be a list of XEP80 supporting software in the FAQ-list Michael Current put together. (Charlie Chaplin might have composed that part, among other things) You should be able to find it via Google.

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Posted Sun May 27, 2007 1:31 PM

mhm. I just found my XEP80 and I gonna test what's running with SDX and what not. However, the two screen support is an amazing option. It seems that the xep80 is a bit unused, though the device was not very rare.

\twh

Hello TWH

There should be a list of XEP80 supporting software in the FAQ-list Michael Current put together. (Charlie Chaplin might have composed that part, among other things) You should be able to find it via Google.

Greetings

Mathy



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Posted Sun May 27, 2007 2:32 PM

Hello TWH

Check out my site for some stuff on the XEP80. Including the datasheets to the main chip. http://www.mathyvann...ecial stuff.htm

Greetings

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Posted Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:07 PM

Is there a .pdf manual available for the XEP-80?

The new version of  atari800 provides emulation support for the XEP-80, but if you have not owned the hardware, it's not exactly intuitive to set the emulator up in XEP-80 mode.

I tried running it with:

atari800 -windowed -ntscemu -xep80 -nobasic -xep80port 1


but it hangs.

What is the default joystick port that this device plugged into? (-xep80port can be 0 or 1... neither seem to work.).

I have the machine set up as a 130XE, and have the .ATR file for Atariwriter 80 set in the boot drive.

It boots with blue screen & a cursor, then goes black. 

A manual would be helpful.

 

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:37 AM

I tried running it with:
atari800 -windowed -ntscemu -xep80 -nobasic -xep80port 1
but it hangs.


Hi,

try pressing LeftALT-Shift-X. Works fine with the windows version.
and make sure, you have booted the XEP system disk.

Gtx

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:53 PM

Hmm,

- Atari Writer 80
- Turbo Word 80 (and maybe Turbo Base also)
- emacs subset
- MAE (and its editor ED)
- The Last Word
- some drivers
- and a few PD programs (or patches)

this seems to be all that is available for the XEP80. Better read the A8 FAQ:
http://www.faqs.org/...tari-8-bit/faq/
subject 6.2 (written by Thomas Raukamp, not me)...

Attached some XEP80 programs (and patches) here that I have in my collection...

-Andreas Koch.

Edited by CharlieChaplin, Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:57 PM.


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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM

The Last Word doesn't support XEP80.

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM

The Last Word doesn't support XEP80.


Ok,
I should have written "The Last Word (not yet, but in the future/planned)"... ;-)
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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM

The Last Word doesn't support XEP80.

Will you be adding it? I only ask because your software solution is faster than the XEP80. As much as I like seeing the old hardware get supported, I'm not sure this one would be worth the time. I used my XEP80 twice, and it promptly went back in its box to avoid dust & yellowing. No offense intended for the XEP lovers out there :)

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:29 PM

Will you be adding it? I only ask because your software solution is faster than the XEP80. As much as I like seeing the old hardware get supported, I'm not sure this one would be worth the time. I used my XEP80 twice, and it promptly went back in its box to avoid dust & yellowing. No offense intended for the XEP lovers out there Posted Image

You've more or less explained my stance on the matter perfectly. I had intended to support XEP80 at around the time I decided on the software solution. Thereafter, it went by the wayside and I doubt I'll bother to add it now, especially since VBXE is now a better way of obtaining a true 80 column display and the modifications to LW to take advantage of that will be fairly minimal.

I don't own an XEP80, so I can't comment on how good it is. I've only used it under emulation: the lack of real hardware is another reason I'm disinclined to develop for it.

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:43 PM

Firstly, it should zoom under emulation. Thanks for posting the ATR, I'll try it out tonight.

Secondly, as for the real hardware, Mathy has performed a lot of experimental hacking on this device, and stated that, it is actually fast, if used appropriately. He stated that that the device got a bad reputation because the BASIC example programs THEMSELVES were dog-slow. Here's his notes:

Part 1

Part 2

& the enhanced BobTerm XEP80 driver. DESCRIPTION: "Erhard's fixed version, which will now keep up with a speed of 9600 baud, instead of the 4800 baud that used to be the maximum. There is still some (bogus) data send to the unused joystick port and the 40 column screen isn't switched off. Meaning that if we could switch off the 40 column display (user choice), data could be sent to the XEP80 even faster. This version is fixed to 50 Hz. Maybe somebody could add a little routine that looks at $D014 (PAL) to determine which frequency should be used."

Since xep80 emulation is now a standard feature in atari800, everyone that has the emulator has the xep80 , as another tool, at their disposal. The actual hardware is still available for somewhere around $70.00.

If there was to be support the xep80, in Last Word, it appears that Mathy is the guy to talk to for implementation tricks & tips.

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM

I understand it was pretty fast if programmed properly. As for emulation, Atari800MacX also supports it properly now.

As for support in The Last Word, I'm always open to requests. VBXE is probably top of the list since LW is the obvious candidate to be the first full-blown productivity app for the new hardware. I'm quite happy to consider supporting other hardware add-ons (like XEP80) if there's sufficient demand and if the end result is going to justify the effort in terms of useability.

The real problem is, of course, lack of time. I had a day off today and I spent most of it finishing a website for a local electrician. The rest I spent worrying about my mysteriously damaged ebay purchase... Posted Image

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:34 PM

 The rest I spent worrying about my mysteriously damaged ebay purchase... Posted Image

You too? I got so screwed on a 24 channel mixing console... I got it while I was doing a major renovation to my datacenter/studio & everything was apart (giant snakepit). I power-tested it when I got it, power came on, LED meters jumped... I figured, OK, good, since the auction said, "Tested, working."...

Then, nearly 3 months later, my studio is completely renovated, totally NASAed-out, and guess what, the mixer doesn't pass signals!!! Dude closed his ebay account, too. gone. I got majorly beat, & it was the central piece of equipment that I needed, and I'm not too wealthy... (of course... catastrophic point of failure, figures...). It is a VERY bad thing. It really is an awful thing to do to someone... I completely empathize, and maybe, if we all wish hard enough together, people who sell broken goods can be damned to stub cold toes 20 times a day, everyday, for the rest of their lives. lol-kinda. 

#15 Mathy OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:18 PM

Hello UNIXcoffee928

... Mathy has performed a lot of experimental hacking on this device ...


No, I didn't! I just translated most of it and put it on my site.

BTW your first link doesn't work. This does:

Part 1

If there was to be support the xep80, in Last Word, it appears that Mathy is the guy to talk to for implementation tricks & tips.

As I already mentioned, I just collected the information and put it on my special stuff page.

greetings

Mathy

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 PM


I tried running it with:
atari800 -windowed -ntscemu -xep80 -nobasic -xep80port 1
but it hangs.


Hi,

try pressing LeftALT-Shift-X. Works fine with the windows version.
and make sure, you have booted the XEP system disk.

Gtx

Could you post the XEP80 system disk .ATR file? Thanks!

& Thanks for translating & posting all of that good stuff, Mathy.

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Posted Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 PM

Here is Atari's original XEP-80 system diskette. I've also posted the files from inside the disk image (including documentation and source code for the XEP-80 handler) in a seperate archive in case anyone needs to look at them directly.

Attached File  XEP80.zip   34.61KB   132 downloads
Attached File  XEP80_files.zip   31.96KB   122 downloads

Edited by jaybird3rd, Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:43 PM.


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Posted Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:35 AM

Does anyone know how to enable the XEP80 support in the atari800 emulator? it is supposed to work in the current version, 2.1.0...

I tried booting the emulator with the above .ATR and the screen just went black, and didn't return control. Does it need a special entry in the config file?

Like the last time that I messed around with this, I tried running it with:
atari800 -windowed -ntscemu -xep80 -xep80port 1

It then runs BASIC in a window, but then when I press:

Left ALT-Shift-X with the XEP system disk .ATR loaded, the emulator goes black.

Edited by UNIXcoffee928, Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:53 AM.


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Posted Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:59 AM

 OH, Wait, never mind... I got it to work... the correct command line is:

atari800 -windowed -ntscemu -xep80 -xep80port 0

Then, when you Left ALT SHIFT X it correctly shifts modes!


YAY!

Edited by UNIXcoffee928, Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:59 AM.





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