FND Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 (edited) If you have any of these items and would like to sell or trade please LMK and I am sure we can work something out. I Have included a Price list I am willing to pay but also have many extra US Fairchild games Loose and complete to Trade WANT LIST UPDATED TODAY 10-08-10 ================================================ SABA Released as Videoplay By SABA in Germany ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Boxes only, needed. But will be interested in complete #17, 19 Offering ================= 10.00 each for complete 5.00 each for loose carts 2.00 each for loose Boxes 2.00 each for loose Manuals ================================================ NORDMENDE Released as Teleplay By NORDMENDE in Germany ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Game Carts, Boxes & Instruction Manuals NEEDED for the following game numbers #5, 7, 13 Instructions needed #6, 11 Boxes needed #6, 11 Offering ================= 20.00 each for complete 10.00 each for loose carts 5.00 each for loose Boxes 5.00 each for loose Manuals ================================================ LUXOR Released as Video Entertainment System By LUXOR in Sweden ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Game Carts, Boxes & Instruction Manuals NEEDED for the following game numbers #6, 7, 17, 21, The following two do not seem to have been released but just in case 19, 20 Instructions needed #4 Boxes needed #18 Offering ================= 20.00 each for complete 10.00 each for loose carts 5.00 each for loose Boxes 5.00 each for loose Manuals ================================================ ITT Released as Telematch Processor By ITT in Germany ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Game Carts, Boxes & Instruction Manuals NEEDED for the following game numbers #2, 4, 5, 10, The following VideoCarts may have not been released but just in case #12, 13, 14, 15, 16 Offering ================= 25.00 each for complete 15.00 each for loose carts 5.00 each for loose Boxes 5.00 each for loose Manuals ================================================ Barco Challenger ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Wanted any game Carts, Boxes or Instructions that use the name Barco ================================================ Dumont Videoplay ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Wanted any game Carts, Boxes or Instructions that use the name Dumont ================================================ PAPER WORK ITEMS NEEDED / WANTED Any Brouchers, Letters, Pamphlets, paperwork or items not pictured on my web site link here http://www.fndcollectables.com/CHANNEL_F_I...s___offers.html ================================================ Edited October 8, 2010 by FND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 (edited) I have some of these, I DO have a few Luxor ones, complete. Let me get back to you on which ones I've got. I'd sure like to "add up" to one of those hard to get ones. Is the Checkers cart with the colored or white box? e5frog Edited August 8, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 (edited) OK, here's what I've got to offer (I'm assuming you only want one of each item): SABA: Instructions 9, 14 and 20 Luxor: Complete: 1, 3, 9 Box+cart: 4, 11 Loose Cart: 2, 13 and 14 ITT: Loose Cart: 7 If you want them all it adds up to a value of $141 according to your pricelist. I'm interested in getting one of those hard to find items you mention above. Edited August 8, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 OK, here's what I've got to offer (I'm assuming you only want one of each item): SABA: Instructions 9, 14 and 20 Luxor: Complete: 1, 3, 9 Box+cart: 4, 11 Loose Cart: 2, 13 and 14 ITT: Loose Cart: 7 If you want them all it adds up to a value of $141 according to your pricelist. I'm interested in getting one of those hard to find items you mention above. Deal I need them . I can buy them for the 141 or we can work out a trade I'll PM you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianoid Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 FND, Update your list with your stuff from frog and I'll have a look as to what I have for you. I have a bunch of foreign Channel F to trade. ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) OK, here's what I've got to offer (I'm assuming you only want one of each item): SABA: Instructions 9, 14 and 20 Luxor: Complete: 1, 3, 9 Box+cart: 4, 11 Loose Cart: 2, 13 and 14 ITT: Loose Cart: 7 If you want them all it adds up to a value of $141 according to your pricelist. I'm interested in getting one of those hard to find items you mention above. Deal I need them . I can buy them for the 141 or we can work out a trade I'll PM you Cash is OK, but I'd rather make a trade as you have some of those rare ones I don't. BTW - you should add the "Barco Challenger" as well, they seemed to use the same cart labels as original Fairchild, but made their own instruction booklets. There is also a relabeled Fairchild V.E.S. called "Dumont" but I don't know of any instructions or cart label variations there... Edited August 9, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 FND, Update your list with your stuff from frog and I'll have a look as to what I have for you. I have a bunch of foreign Channel F to trade. ian Cool, I just updated the list LMK Thanks FND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 BTW - you should add the "Barco Challenger" as well, they seemed to use the same cart labels as original Fairchild, but made their own instruction booklets. There is also a relabeled Fairchild V.E.S. called "Dumont" but I don't know of any instructions or cart label variations there... Thats right I forgot about the "Barco Challenger" I Remember seeing a instruction manual and the game system but never saw any carts. Interesting I did not know they used the same labels as the Fairchild carts. When you say the Original Fairchild labels do you mean the picture labels only ? any idea how many games they released in there library ? I have seen the "Dumont" system also but again I have not seen any carts, boxes or instructions with the name yet. But I think I will add them to my want list Thanks for the suggestion. BTW I sent you a PM with links to some scans FND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) Oh... and the Ingelen Telematch (released before ITT bought Ingelen), there is also Emerson: There we also have the alternative multi language instruction booklet from SABA. Luxor also have variations on the booklets, Swedish, multi lingual and a blue/white version in German only. Luxor also relabeled a few SABA carts, just small white labels in the corner of box and label - and an instruction sheet. But I'm guessing you're satisfied with a complete cart collection? Luxor has two version cart-labels as well, just an extra black label with white text on the lower part of the original Farichild labels and their own blue/white version. I don't know much about Barco, Dumont and Emerson, I have basically only seen pictures of them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320087391262 Looks like it says Emerson Videoplay System. Edited August 14, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) Here's the inside of a Democart 2: It has a 8316A "2kB General Purpose Mask Programmable ROM" IS THIS A RE-PROGRAMMABLE CARTRIDGE!? Or was it only one-time-programmable (OTP)? There's at least 2 of these!! This one was bought from Umeå i Northern Sweden in 2005 for only $40 - postage included to Germany... Edited August 14, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) Below is my list I had compiled for the different systems. Looks like I missed the Emerson somehow (I have seen the box with the Emerson name) Do you know what country it was released in ? Also looks like I have the Ingelen as being released in Austria, Can't remember where I found that info, does this sound correct? Video Entertainment System, TV-Datorspel (LUXOR) - Sweden Telematch Processor (INGELEN) - Austria Telematch Processor (ITT) - Germany Teleplay (NORDMENDE) - Germany Videoplay (SABA) - Germany Videoplay (EMERSON) - Italy Channel F (DUMONT) - Italy Grandstand (ADMAN) - UK Challenger (BARCO) - Belgium Thanks for the info on the Instruction,box & cart variations (I am a Variation Nut). I would be also interested in getting them as well but at the moment I need just about everything. Since there are two Demo2's known I have not given up hope that another one will eventually be found and become available, I do expect it will be rather expensive though. Edited August 17, 2007 by FND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) The Emerson Machine was sold from Italy, so we can assume it was sold there somtime, the other stuff looks good. Jepp, but someone could also be sitting on a batch oh those programmamble carts and making them into something fake-offical which we so happily drewl over and pay shit loads of money for! I bet some old geezer sits at home with a whole box he has stolen from the company when he worked there and portions them out very slow for most cash and least risk of discovery! Here I am building a double cart, just adding a swich to that type of cart and you can swap between Slot and Checkers as many times as you want to... Edited August 14, 2007 by e5frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_eits Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Oh... and the Ingelen Telematch (released before ITT bought Ingelen), there is also Emerson: I did some research on the ITT/Ingelen story a while ago. My information is that ITT (or ITT Schaub-Lorenz to be exact) bought Ingelen in 1967 and than used the well known brand Ingelen for the marketing of own products in Austria. That would mean it was released after ITT bought Ingelen. Looks like it says Emerson Videoplay System. You are right, it says Emerson Vidoplay System. In the same week when I bought this system, there was a second one on Ebay Italy. Adrian (from pong-picture-page.de) bought it. The most interesting thing about it is, that he got a Dumont system in an Emerson box. Little later there was another Emerson on Ebay Italy (loose, with a small buy it now). Unfortunatly all the Dumont and Emerson systems came without instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_eits Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Thats right I forgot about the "Barco Challenger" I Remember seeing a instruction manual and the game system but never saw any carts. Interesting I did not know they used the same labels as the Fairchild carts. When you say the OriginalFairchild labels do you mean the picture labels only ? any idea how many games they released in there library ? The only Barco game I've seen so far has a Fairchild picture lable. It's Videocart 1. I bought a Barco on ebay a couple of days ago, but the three games (4, 13, 14) came without instructions. By the way the instructions of the system are also in English and include service addresses for Belgium, France, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_eits Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 If you have any of these items and would liketo sell or trade please LMK and I am sure we can work something out. Back to topic From your want list I have the following stuff: ITT: 1 (CBI), 3 (CI), 6 (CI) and 11 (CB) Note: The box of 11 is missing the top flap. Nordmende: 8 (CB), 9 (CB), 11 ©, 14 © Saba: Instructions for 5, 10, 18 Note: A german seller on ebay is offering 12 (CBI), I could buy that one for youif you want. (Have a look at ebay item 120115503332, it's 7,99 Euro shipped to my place, so it's a little bit more than 10 Dollar.) Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Jens... I'm looking forward to receiving a good quality pdf with the complete manual scanned in color in the next few days... Check my post on how to get composite video, I've redrawn the first sheet of the schematic as well, crystal clear now! ... pleeeease? Remember that the is online again! / fredriC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 If ITT... bought Ingelen in 1967 and the Telematch was released ten years later in the Ingelen brand name, why the heck did they change the name to ITT on the unit instead, exact same exterior except for removing the Ingelen logo on the right side and putting an ITT-logo on the left side instead? Perhaps Ingelen systems were sold only in Austria, and the ITT was sold in non-Austrich countries?? Then maybe there are a few more Ingelen machines to get hold of. A fellow collector here in Sweden who has or have had most items known to videogame collectors have of course had an Ingelen machine as well for a little while... It's my belief that the Telematch brand of the Fairchild System is the best one to have except for the hand controllers (same type as SABA Videoplay (not Vidoplay - right, Jens? ) 2, but big rectangular knobs (one blue one red) instead of small square almost cubic knobs... The triangular know is the best in my opinion to get a good grip for twisting. I've swapped controllers on my Telematch machine, and stored the original (fragile) controller in a safe place. The "fins" that hold the whole stick up are very thin and break easily - making a nice maracas but not good to play videogames with. And also the spiral springs were replased with rubber tubes instead - gives softer feel but also a bit wobbly... Rubber will probably also wear out quicker than springs, and age... Best thing about the Telematch machine is the built in antenna switch, it automatically switches the antenna to the game when turned on. Sound on the TV, small footprint (smalles there is). No eject button, you just hook it into place and a goog looking 80's brushed metal front. One thing I've thought about a few times is that all text on the front of the panel are in English except for the ON button - it says "NETZ". I also think the PAL machines runs faster than the NTSC version, cause the crystal is a 4.433619 MHz instead of the 3.something that NTSC has. I noticed it the first time I ran Pac-man on my ITT, music was a little faster than in MESS - not as true to the original as it ought to be. Any downsides then? Well, the antenna output and input are both female, so you have to have a gender changer in the output to connect a normal TV RF-cable (that has one male and one female connector). And the connectors are "hardwired", or really mounted in the shell, since there are connectors on the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_eits Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 If ITT... bought Ingelen in 1967 and the Telematch was released ten years later in the Ingelen brand name, why the heck did they change the name to ITT on the unit instead, exact same exterior except for removing the Ingelen logo on the right side and putting an ITT-logo on the left side instead? I think it was the other way round. ITT released the Telematch and relabled it for the Austrian market. I think it's the way companies behave when they take over other companies. If you have a strong brand, you use it. If it's only strong in one market, you only use it there. By the way, I've checked the information again and it was 1966. (http://www.radio-ghe.com/fa.ingelen.htm) There are other examples from the Channel F history. The French company Thomson Brandt bought Nordmende in 1977, still the Teleplay was released as a Nordmende product in 1978. Perhaps Ingelen systems were sold only in Austria, and the ITT was sold in non-Austrich countries?? Then maybe there are a few more Ingelen machines to get hold of. There was an Ingelen a couple of weeks ago on Ebay Austria and Adrian bought it. I hope we get better pictures soon. SABA Videoplay (not Vidoplay - right, Jens? ) Right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_eits Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Jens... I'm looking forward to receiving a good quality pdf with the complete manual scanned in color in the next few days... I'll scan the manual as soon as I have some more time and I'll make pics of the systems and the modifications soon. Check my post on how to get composite video, I've redrawn the first sheet of the schematic as well, crystal clear now! ... pleeeease? I'll do that later too. Today I wrote more posts to a forum on a single day than ever before... Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 From your want list I have the following stuff: ITT: 1 (CBI), 3 (CI), 6 (CI) and 11 (CB) Note: The box of 11 is missing the top flap. Nordmende: 8 (CB), 9 (CB), 11 ©, 14 © Saba: Instructions for 5, 10, 18 Note: A german seller on ebay is offering 12 (CBI), I could buy that one for youif you want. (Have a look at ebay item 120115503332, it's 7,99 Euro shipped to my place, so it's a little bit more than 10 Dollar.) Jens PM Sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 y-bot has some stuff you may be interested in... http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...=110430&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 y-bot has some stuff you may be interested in...http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...=110430&hl= Thanks we have already talked, His Saba collection was still available and at a very good price if anyone is interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 Found these scans of a BARCO Inst. Manual in my files, not sure where/who I got them from but thought I would post them so others can see what they look like lools like they are either Dual language or two different instruction manuals were released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FND Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 Updated MY want list "today 9-02-07" See First Post Thanks to everyone for the help so far, looking forward to adding more items so Please keep me in mind when looking through your collections or while searching the local sales. Thanks again FND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5frog Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 The BARCO instructions are dual language, printed up-side-down when you flip it over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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