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#1 nagn2 OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:13 PM

I recently picked up 2 Atari 2600 games at a garage sale. One was " The Music Machine" which I researched and found out was a very rare game. The other one I picked up is titled "Red Sea Crossing". I can't find any information on it at all. I would appreciate any information anyone has on this game. The label says "1983 Steve Stack, Inc. Inspirational Video Concepts" and then lists a phone number below it.

Here are some screen shots. I will try to make a movie of me playing it also. What is a homebrew? Also what is the difference between a hack and a fake.? Also , how do I open the cartridge? I do appreciate the help!


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#2 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:16 PM

Screenshots?

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Posted Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:58 PM

Well, I couldn't find anything on this one yet.

It looks like some reli-game.

Just like Music Machine.

Some screenshots would be great.

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:59 PM.


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Posted Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:13 PM

Perhaps Steve Stack was an independent publisher and/or homebrewer at the time? 8)

Hopefully this is not a fake.

EDIT: The case appears to be a grip case similar to Apollo carts and the label was handcut and glued

Edited by Gateway, Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:17 PM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:08 AM

Yeah I am with the others. Lets see some screen shots ;)

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:30 AM

HOAX hands all over this one.

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:02 AM

I give it the benefit of the doubt.

nagn2,

Before everyone starts accusing you of everything, it would be a good thing to show us some screenshots of the game, or even better: a little movie of the game while playing it.

Also, to find out if it's a genuine cart from the old era, it has to be opened to show us the inner side of the cart.

After that, we can tell you if it's an original, a hack, a homebrew, or a hoax (and perhaps even give it a 'proper' price tag).

Anyway, I can assure you: this is the place to be to find out more about this game.

There's an awful lot of knowledge gathered on this forum.

Again: thanks for sharing!

It looks like an interesting find.

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:06 AM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:30 AM

Here are some screen shots. I will try to make a movie of me playing it also. What is a homebrew? Also what is the difference between a hack and a fake.? Also , how do I open the cartridge? I do appreciate the help!

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#9 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:37 AM

Looks unknown and real.

Where are you located?

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:38 AM

Ok, after quite some digging I found out that this toll free number isn't connected to Steve Stack, Inc. anymore.

Also the company doesn't exist under this name anymore.

In short: the information on this cart is outdated indeed (whitch matches with the 1983 copyright year).

If someone wants to make a hoax cart nowadays, where does he gets the idea from to put this outdated information on the label?

IMO it's very well possible that this cart was indeed (home)made in 1983.


Nagn2, by looking at your screenshots, I can say that this is not a hack of an already existing game.

It looks like an original indeed.


BTW: a hack is a game that's based on the code of an already existing, original game.

For example, Tom Boy
http://www.atarimani...ERSION_ID=12339
is a hack of the original Pitfall!
http://www.atarimani...?...6895&MENU=2

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:32 AM.


#11 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:48 AM

Ok, after quite some digging I found out that this toll free number isn't connected to Steve Stack, Inc. anymore.

Also the company doesn't exist under this name anymore.

In short: the information on this cart is outdated indeed (whitch matches with the 1983 copyright year).

I didn't find any information on the web too.

It could be the real thing or (another) hoax by a talented homebrewer. ;)

Scrutinizing the cart and ROM will show the truth.

Edited by Thomas Jentzsch, Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:49 AM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:50 AM

Ok, after quite some digging I found out that this toll free number isn't connected to Steve Stack, Inc. anymore.

Also the company doesn't exist under this name anymore.

In short: the information on this cart is outdated indeed (whitch matches with the 1983 copyright year).

If someone wants to make a hoax cart nowadays, where does he gets the idea from to put this outdated information on the label?

IMO it's very well possible that this cart was indeed (home)made in 1983.


Nagn2, by looking at your screenshots, I can say that this is not a hack of an already existing game.

It looks like an original indeed.

8)



I appreciate your help! Do home made cartridges have any value? I too wouldn't think it is fake as I only paid 50 cents for it. It would seem like a lot of trouble for that kind of money. Thanks for all the help.

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:52 AM

Nagn2,

Showing the inner part of the cart can tell us more about its true age, but please be careful not to damage the cart if you decide to open it.

If it's really an original game from 1983 (homebrew or not), then you're a very lucky person.

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:55 AM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:53 AM

I am in Ohio. If this is a home made cartridge, does it have any value?



Looks unknown and real.

Where are you located?



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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:55 AM

How do I open the cartridge? If it has any screws it must be under the label!


Nagn2,

Please be careful not to damage the cart if you decide to open it.

Showing the inner part of the cart can tell us more about its true age.

8)



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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:56 AM

I am in Ohio. If this is a home made cartridge, does it have any value?

I am no collector, but if you can prove this thing is real, I bet some will pay really hefty money for it.

You should go back where you found it and try to get some background information about the cart(s).

Edited by Thomas Jentzsch, Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:56 AM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:57 AM

I am in Ohio. If this is a home made cartridge, does it have any value?

If it's really from the early eighties, then yes.

That's why showing the inner part is quite essential.

But please don't damage the label!

If you're feeling uncertain about opening the cart safely, then don't.

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:59 AM.


#18 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:58 AM

How do I open the cartridge? If it has any screws it must be under the label!

I would say, don't open it now. Maybe you can make a shot inside through the cart slot?

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:00 AM

Good idea, Thomas.

8)

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:01 AM

Anyone in Ohio who can help dumping the ROM?

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:11 AM

How do I open the cartridge? If it has any screws it must be under the label!

I would say, don't open it now. Maybe you can make a shot inside through the cart slot?



Here are some pictures of the slot. I hope they help.



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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:15 AM

Can you shoot inside?

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:19 AM

Can you shoot inside?



What exactly do you mean by "inside"? I don't see any way to open it without damaging the label.

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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:26 AM

I'm afraid there's too little to see, nagn2.
Maybe a closer shot (with flash) could reveal more.

Could you tell me something more about the gameplay?
What are you suppose to do in the game?
Is it actually playable and does it feel 'finished'?

8)

Edited by Rom Hunter, Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:29 AM.


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:27 AM

Anyone in Ohio who can help dumping the ROM?


I'm in the Dayton area and have the ability to dump it. Al is in the Cleveland area. Any idea what part of Ohio they are in? I'd be glad to help.




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