Underball Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 This was discussed in the other New/Homebrew thread, but as suggested, it needs it's own discussion. Donkey Kong for the 7800 in it's current form, in my opinion, feels like a 75% work in progress version. It still lacks the 4th screen (conveyor belts/pie factory) and the sound and music are atrocious. the graphics are decent enough though, as faithful as I believe the 7800 would render. As there is now a healthy and growing hacking/homebrew scene around the 7800 these days - is there any way we can convince one of you oh so talented coders (Kenfused, PacManPlus, schmutzepuppe - we're looking at you) to finish what was left undone? It doesn't seem like all that much work, really. But then - I don't know much at all about coding for the 7800. Anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 This was discussed in the other New/Homebrew thread, but as suggested, it needs it's own discussion. Donkey Kong for the 7800 in it's current form, in my opinion, feels like a 75% work in progress version. It still lacks the 4th screen (conveyor belts/pie factory) and the sound and music are atrocious. the graphics are decent enough though, as faithful as I believe the 7800 would render. As there is now a healthy and growing hacking/homebrew scene around the 7800 these days - is there any way we can convince one of you oh so talented coders (Kenfused, PacManPlus, schmutzepuppe - we're looking at you) to finish what was left undone? It doesn't seem like all that much work, really. But then - I don't know much at all about coding for the 7800. Anybody? I'd certainly buy it if they did it. A version with the other board,the North American board order, and the intermissions would make it the best version on a home system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic George 2K3 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I prefer the Japanese board order myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 (edited) You would need the source code to do this. It is next to impossible without it. Even with DiStella. ... unless you're talking about wtiting it from scratch... Edited July 11, 2008 by PacManPlus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMIK Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I'd but it for sure if it had the Pokey chip for better sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 You would need the source code to do this. It is next to impossible without it. Even with DiStella. ... unless you're talking about wtiting it from scratch... I figured as much - It's got to be around somewhere. all these other source codes and stuff popping up. how were you able to do so much with Ms. Pac-Man, not having access to the source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Who says I didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 Who says I didn't? Ahh. Well, the DK sources have to be somewhere, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakasama Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 If you're wondering what the pie factory might look like, here's an edited screenshot I know an enhanced version of DK is certainly possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Rice Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Well, the DK sources have to be somewhere, right? We could get the original source for Atari 8bit DK for the POKEY sounds if the programmer still has the source. Dadhacker I do not know about the 7800 source code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 (edited) So 7800 DK has no 4th screen,so what,neither do alot of other versions.Besides the sound,its pretty damn good IMO. Edited July 11, 2008 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share Posted July 12, 2008 So 7800 DK has no 4th screen,so what,neither do alot of other versions.Besides the sound,its pretty damn good IMO. But that's not what this thread is about. Now that we have dedicated coders working on filling in the blanks in the potential 7800 library, this is certainly one of the more often requested ideas. I'm not interested in "good enough". Not now that we've been spoiled with Pac-Man Collection, Beef Drop, B*nQ, etc. It's like driving a Ferrari, and then settling for a Chevy Chevette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) So 7800 DK has no 4th screen,so what,neither do alot of other versions.Besides the sound,its pretty damn good IMO. But that's not what this thread is about. Now that we have dedicated coders working on filling in the blanks in the potential 7800 library, this is certainly one of the more often requested ideas. I'm not interested in "good enough". Not now that we've been spoiled with Pac-Man Collection, Beef Drop, B*nQ, etc. It's like driving a Ferrari, and then settling for a Chevy Chevette. edit...I'll explain better...I'm just replying to what was posted in post #1.DK for the 7800 doesnt have a 4th level was posted.I'm just saying i dont see why people cut down 7800DK just becuase of that,very few have the 4th level anyway.Posts sometimes have parts that vere away from original subject or purpose. Edited July 12, 2008 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share Posted July 12, 2008 So 7800 DK has no 4th screen,so what,neither do alot of other versions.Besides the sound,its pretty damn good IMO. But that's not what this thread is about. Now that we have dedicated coders working on filling in the blanks in the potential 7800 library, this is certainly one of the more often requested ideas. I'm not interested in "good enough". Not now that we've been spoiled with Pac-Man Collection, Beef Drop, B*nQ, etc. It's like driving a Ferrari, and then settling for a Chevy Chevette. Sorry,didnt mean to disrupt, the original post said 7800 DK doesnt have the 4th level,whether or not that doesnt have anything to do with this thread?,It was posted,and everyone seems to complain about the missing level in 7800 DK,which is silly cus most DONT have a 4th level,thats all. The Original had the 4th level. Even the 8-bit/5200 version had all 4 levels. The 7800 is more than capable of having the 4th level. Shit, Beef Drop has like 4 more levels on top of the 4 original levels in the arcade version of Burgertime, and the 4 original ones are pretty much arcade perfect. There's no reason NOT to have the 4th level, or possibly more, except sheer laziness. The only thing that's silly is settling for something that's half-assed, when a complete version is more than possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Okay then,on to what this thread is about :)If all improvements cant be made,at least i hope one is made that has good sound! Edited July 12, 2008 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) So 7800 DK has no 4th screen,so what,neither do alot of other versions.Besides the sound,its pretty damn good IMO. But that's not what this thread is about. Now that we have dedicated coders working on filling in the blanks in the potential 7800 library, this is certainly one of the more often requested ideas. I'm not interested in "good enough". Not now that we've been spoiled with Pac-Man Collection, Beef Drop, B*nQ, etc. It's like driving a Ferrari, and then settling for a Chevy Chevette. Sorry,didnt mean to disrupt, the original post said 7800 DK doesnt have the 4th level,whether or not that doesnt have anything to do with this thread?,It was posted,and everyone seems to complain about the missing level in 7800 DK,which is silly cus most DONT have a 4th level,thats all. The Original had the 4th level. Even the 8-bit/5200 version had all 4 levels. The 7800 is more than capable of having the 4th level. Shit, Beef Drop has like 4 more levels on top of the 4 original levels in the arcade version of Burgertime, and the 4 original ones are pretty much arcade perfect. There's no reason NOT to have the 4th level, or possibly more, except sheer laziness. The only thing that's silly is settling for something that's half-assed, when a complete version is more than possible. Have you tried the 400/800 version?Its like mario is on steroids! Edited July 12, 2008 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMIK Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I would love to see more new games or updates on old games for the 7800, its such a great underrated machine. That should have had a better sound chip out of the box thats my biggest complaint of the system. I have one moded to Svideo the difference that makes is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMIK Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Buy the way sorry if this is a dumb question but where is the AtariAge Store ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMIK Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Yes it was a dumb question just found some info on it sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdement Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I prefer the Japanese board order myself. It should be simple to offer both, selected from the menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 an updated DK would need to be like 128k for sure. Quite the undertaking IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Yes it was a dumb question just found some info on it sorry Maybe next you'll learn what that big EDIT button does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMIK Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Yes it was a dumb question just found some info on it sorry Maybe next you'll learn what that big EDIT button does. Yes i knew you could edit a post but that would not have been much good to me, i didn't know you could delete the whole post I'll have another look thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) an updated DK would need to be like 128k for sure. Quite the undertaking IMO. sure, but looking at the quality of stuff like Beef Drop, B*nQ, Pac-Man collection, Space Invaders, Froggie - it's entirely possible. I waited 21 years for most of those to show up on the 7800. another few months or a year or two to fix the issues with Donkey Kong wouldn't be that big a deal. It's just a matter of hoping that someone who knows how to do this would be willing to and having the time to do it. If I knew how, I would have done it already. Unfortunately, I don't. I know a bit about coding for the PSP, and some SDL stuff, but that doesn't really apply here. and only enough to be dangerous or bugtest/make corrections. Not enough to code something from scratch. Edited July 13, 2008 by Underball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV Gus Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 (edited) The 7800 version isn't that much worse than the NES version, except... Around 1997, a fellow ColecoVision fan's wife had an NES. An NES, NOT a Super NES. For it was a Donkey Kong/Donkey Kong Jr. cartridge. This one had all four screens, in arcade order, with intermissions. This was the only NES version I'd ever played. This was why, when I picked up an NES in 2000, I was surprised to find out that this was NOT the standard version. Could a similar 7800 version exist? By the way, I don't think 128K would be needed. The ColecoVision has a four-screen DK Jr., and it does not take nearly that much. Edited July 14, 2008 by CV Gus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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