I have removed the download links. Please do not post Jaguar binaries here.
You know I can see not posting links of binaries of roms of newly released games (like Hyperforce), but Flipout, Phase Zero, Super Cross 3D.. these are much older games.
CyberGolf is a proto that he added the encryption key to.
Now I'm going to ask a question, I'm not meaning to be difficult, just pointing out a obvious weird fact at Atariage
Here at Ataiage we have roms downloadable for 2600, 5200, 7800, Lynx. I notice that Activision titles are not there.
The Jaguar, unlike all the ones above, is a system released by Atari during it's time as Hasbro to the public domain. Now as Jay Smith at Jaguar Sector 2 found out, that did not neccesarily include the game titles, but if any Atari system had the right to have it's information freely available, it would be the Jaguar
On the other game forums here, binaries are freely available. Modified binaries are freely available. There is not a problem with this. These binaries are posted up by people who both own and do not own the programming rights to those roms. The only standard I see about these roms however is that the games were ones generally released in the prime of the game system, long since sold in stores, and long since apparently forgotten about by the companies that released them.
While I can see the taboos of posting Hyperforce
(a game currently sold by Songbird), and Zero 5
(a game loosely still sold by Telegames in the UK... I think, otherwise Telegames has more or less moved on from the Atari scene but not enough), considering the way the other systems are handled here, do not see the problem of the other game titles being featured here both for hobby tinkering, backup for those of that own the originals of the game, and modified binaries for the fun of it.
In short, I can only come up with ONE reason why the Jaguar binaries should not be downloadable here, perhaps two:
1) Jaguar binaries are usually 2 to 4 MB, while the other systems are never more than 128K. This could take up a lot more space and if server space is an issue I understand. That doesn't explain links.
2) The other systems are older. The Jaguar's older roms however are getting to be 13-15 years of age as it is.
If we follow the example of how 2600 roms are featured here (even downloadable directly from AtariAge), I would like to submit that the same rules apply for the Jaguar in the future.
1) Games that were sold back in the prime of the gaming system can be featured here. The example for this is all the games you currently have downloadable here at Atariage.
2) Game roms of companies that do object, and from the gaming systems' prime will not be featured here. We see that already here with Activision games that are not featured here on Atariage.
3) Game roms recently released by hobbyists, that were not sold in the prime of the game system, are not to be featured here unless the developer/hobbyist posts those images here themselves. We see this in practice with the rom images we've seen with Castle Crisis (800/5200), Beef Drop (7800), and Adventure 2 (5200).
Does the above sound workable?
I do agree with developers like Gorf that their work should only be posted by the developers if they choose and only by them. This is a unspoken rule that seems to work on the other forums (number 3 above). So we would be discouraging and deleting links to games from say Telegames, Songbird, Scatologic, Three Stooges, and other developers that have released games since the demise of the Jaguar in when Atari was sold to JTS in 1997.
The other unspoken rule seems to be that games developed back in the day (in this case anything prior to 1997) and that no one has objected to would be fine in the hobby sense here at Atariage.Bottom line...
The above rules are to say in practice what Atariage actually does for other Atari platforms. I want to see the Jaguar reach the same level of fandom and support that the other systems seem to have here. At some point I would like to see the Jaguar have something more like the Cuttle Cart 2 where large libraries can be more easily accessable for the Jaguar without lugging around boxes and boxes of stuff just to make it happen.
I would LOVE it if when we have the Cuttle Cart like solution, that copies of binaries can be sold with the game cartridges so that the game cartridge can be spared, even unopened for collectors, while the game image is in use. The owner of the cartridge would be the only ones with that right to have it. Again, this would be up to the developers. Even still such game roms of newer, post prime, games would only be in the owner's libraries, not here, unless the developer posted those here themselves.
I would also like to see more people playing with the existing binaries as we see on the other subboards and making alternates of Jaguar games. There have been a lot of fun and greater understanding by 2600/7800/5200 fans about how the games work that have led from modifications to actual new games being written.
Unfortuantely the Jaguar fan scene is much newer than the other platform groups, and unspoken protocals for what is and what is not acceptable is not as well developed. I think the above three rules say basically what the other Atari platforms have in practice.
Al, Atariage is your board, and in the end you could say "No Jaguar binaries period". But I hope in light of the comparison you can give a good reason, or at least considering the other platforms here, come to some compromise. I think the three rules above are a good compromise.
(The edit to this message was to change one word from "developered" to "developed")
Edited by doctorclu, Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:43 AM.