Everything on those disc were given to him by Curt who out right bought all of it from Atari. Legally
it may be Atari's IP but Curt now has the right to do as he wishes with all those hard drives full of info
I also don't see commercials roms of every Jaguar game, nor do I see games that someone is presently
Not even close my friend.
No, it's not the same since it's the source code, art files, etc that he's selling. C'mon, Gorf. The only difference between what he's doing and what those who post ROMs for the same games is that he's actually making money off of it. Off of someone else's hard work. Are you really that oblivious to the hypocrisy here?
Really what Gorf says is about the best we have to go on. Jason got the information from Curt, Curt got it from Atari. This is basically the kind of stuff we have to ask when we deal with posting prototypes is just to know where they came from.
You know I have seen JustClaws sell his compilation of Jaguar Developer tools, which was a nice service. He took all his hours of downloading time, and made a package of all that he found, which makes a great archive and best of all, keeps us from having to spend the hours downloading and hunting down all that information too.
Jason is taking all that information, usually packaging it all up nice and neat, and making it something that can be useful. So what we are really buying is Jason's time, packaging, ect.
Now since Curt owns the first rights to this information, (from Atari to Curt to Jason), we could actually ask Curt "Can we post those source codes in the archives here that Jason is currently selling?" At this point we could look at this two ways...
1) "No, I want to support JS2 and therefore giving Jason the exclusive right to sell this"
2) "Yes, Jason made a nice compilation, but it is more or less stuff I would like to be available to others if they want to spend the HOURS downloading what Jason has made neatly available on his discs."
According to Gorf (and I see this to be true) Curt would be the point man for that material having bought it from Atari. Knowing Jason, he probably made sure all was cool with Curt before he started selling those. Curt has so many irons in the fire he probably was glad Jason could make some useful form of the material.
One NICE thing we could do speaking of Curt is make available alongside the rom images the source codes that he publically released here! Yes you can find them here, but wouldn't it be great to go the Jaguar library, be able to download the rom image OR the source?
A lot of us were here when Curt released those sources (Breakout 2K being one), others however unless they dug for that in Atariage message archives later down the road, might not even know those are here.
As I said before, anything not released commercially in the Jaguar prime era we need to consider the source. Some things might have been bought from the developer, and rights given to distribute. Some might have been bought from the developer (like Robinson's Requiem
) with the strict guidelines to only keep in the buyers immediate private library not to redistribute. And some binaries might have been bought on some flash cart or Eprom cart, not even from the developer, with no rights to distribute or sell the game (like Brett Hull Hockey
.) We'll just need to consider the source.
-Years ago, programmers worked hard to make some great games possible. They were paid by a company to make those games. Atari released and produced practically all the games for the Jaguar, and MOST of the time the developers were paid for their services. Thank you for the work, here's your paycheck.
The game was paid for. Atari took that game, made lots of cartridges (or CD's) and then sold them and made at least some money off of it. As I said already, that Atari is long gone, and their business is done. When Hasbro bought Atari, they washed their hands of the Jaguar and released it to public domain. Atari's since have not looked back to the Jaguar.
The only complications you MIGHT run into are the companies that Atari subcontracted that are still around that were hired to make those games. Are they still receiving royalties for those games? No.
Some laugh when that name Jaguar
is brought up. Some have freely given source codes and binaries when asked since it was so long ago now, and some are still a little protective. But really, most of those current companies have moved on to bigger and better things (current game systems) and seldom look back at the Jaguar. Again, they were paid for their services, time marched on.Post Prime Era
- I know for a fact Telegames had to work on the code of the games they released, and lot of those are good polished products. They paid for code, probably made the money back already in sales, but they ARE the distributor of their own games. This holds true for Gorf, and all current developers. They were not paid for their services by a company, they are being paid by US!
Songbird had to do some refinement to the games he sells, but again, his efforts are being paid by us. Jason on JS2, not as much refinement, but he puts it in a semi-usable form, so the same applies, he is being paid by us. So considering their efforts of working with this material to bring to us, it would be respectful to ask them. (Even if in some cases they really didn't have the direct right to release or sell those games we find out later, there is still their time and additions that they added to the game from when they got it.)