R.Cade Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 The text in this auction is kind of misleading. "Tooling package for all parts and components to build the Jaguar game system" implies that it contains everything you could need to produce Atari Jaguars, when obviously it's only for the plastic case. And of course you'd need whatever manufacturing equipment is necessary to use the mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper_Eye Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 For some reason I never contemplated the possibility of Imagin ever selling these. I hope they end up in good hands because these are a big deal. Imagine if someone like SS4U landed these instead of someone like Buddies? That is one of the saddest thoughts I have ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-topdog Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm with the monkey... would anyone seriously like to pool resources to save these? If like 50 of us could put in $150-200 each. We might be able to get these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm with the monkey... would anyone seriously like to pool resources to save these? If like 50 of us could put in $150-200 each. We might be able to get these. Is there really a point to owning them though other than pure historical interest? I mean, couldn't you just reverse engineer them anyway by taking a Jaguar case and just having a new mold made from it with presumably less expensive mold components? It's not like the Jaguar case is super complicated in its design. Also, wouldn't there have been more than one set of these given how many cases had to be made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primeform Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm with the monkey... would anyone seriously like to pool resources to save these? If like 50 of us could put in $150-200 each. We might be able to get these. Is there really a point to owning them though other than pure historical interest? I mean, couldn't you just reverse engineer them anyway by taking a Jaguar case and just having a new mold made from it with presumably less expensive mold components? It's not like the Jaguar case is super complicated in its design. Also, wouldn't there have been more than one set of these given how many cases had to be made? yes but your getting these for pennies on the dollar. theres alot of money in material alone there if you melted it down. Like it said in the auction, these cost atari 250,000 to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovalbugmann Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) The text in this auction is kind of misleading. "Tooling package for all parts and components to build the Jaguar game system" implies that it contains everything you could need to produce Atari Jaguars, when obviously it's only for the plastic case. And of course you'd need whatever manufacturing equipment is necessary to use the mold. Of course it's only for making the case, you didn't think the PCB and chips are made in there too did ya'? Those are the original case molds, "Injection Mold Tooling", it says in the title. IBM & JVC made the boards/chips. However, you may be right about other manufacturing equipment that will be needed to use them. There would be costs to that, but I am sure that stuff is standard and readily available through hiring a company to do a run with these molds. The main and big thing is have a mold to make something. Is there really a point to owning them though other than pure historical interest? I mean, couldn't you just reverse engineer them anyway by taking a Jaguar case and just having a new mold made from it with presumably less expensive mold components? It's not like the Jaguar case is super complicated in its design. Also, wouldn't there have been more than one set of these given how many cases had to be made? Having the original case molds would be the best, most precise, option to making custom case colors for fans, don't you think? I'm sure you could make a casting from an existing case, that's just more work and money, and that's quite expensive to do nicely and correctly I have heard from people in the industry, who were going to do custom Jagcart shells/colors. I don't know how fast this mold set can churn out complete shells but I was under the impression from the old "white Jaguar cases" threads that this was the one and only set used to make all the Jaguar cases ever produced. OK here was my question and the owners' answer: Dear soptopevoppy, Hello, I understand from pictures of some white Jaguar cases that the; son of Imagin systems' owner, posted on Atariage.com, that the white cases that were made for the dental camera had a side or back panel of the Jaguar case cut out to accomodate the camera. He was trying to help Atari Jaguar fans get different colored cases of their choice, but for some unfortunate reason did not follow through in getting us the custom Jaguar cases. We have now seen your auction and there are a number of serious Jaguar fans that are considering pooling their funds to purchase and save these molds, my question is: Can original, non-camera modified, fully intact, no panels missing Jaguar cases still be molded from these casts? noel52-57 Answer: Dear noel52-57, I would love to see you guys keep these molds, I could scrap these and get big dollars just for the P7 steel, but I've got feelings for this thing in a big way. The top mold is untouched, where as the bottom had the rear panel removed, but I may have a second bottom mold, I'll double check. Steve Mortensen 650-596-1001 x26 - soptopevoppy Edited March 9, 2010 by ovalbugmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NBC Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 I would love to buy them. I've got the cash to boot. But I don't know if I will. I would love to have them for my video collection. what could I do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovalbugmann Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) You could make a run of clear Jaguar/CD cases for everyone here if you bought them. I hope somebody buys them and saves 'em from the smelter. Edited March 9, 2010 by ovalbugmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBC Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 I could use them for that. I'm thinking real hard on buying them. I'm not rich but money is no object. I just have enough of it to go around. I just collect weird things and I love the Jaguar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovalbugmann Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) I hope that you do buy them!!! If not they will likely be melted down. Hey NBC, if you would like to read more about what the son; Mark Mortenson(known here on AA as "4tez") of Imagin Systems owner Steve Mortenson, was going to do with making clear Jaguar cases for us please read these topics: http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/106352-white-jaguar-cases/ http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/115539-jaguar-color-cases/ Edited March 9, 2010 by ovalbugmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovalbugmann Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) ...Oopsy doubley posty, in my all things Jaguar excitement! Edited March 9, 2010 by ovalbugmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBC Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) Here is the deal. I own a factory. So I got the money. I just aked my but my wife said no. We are not rich but better off than most. When I saw them I had no ideal what the was at first. So I can not buy them. But if my wife changes her mind then I will. We always discuss the cash we spend. She will call me today somtime. If she says no again the deal is off. I just bought a 15 thousand dollar machine for my factory. Plus I would have reserch things out befor I make any thing. I never realy thought that far. Except once in my head. I just thought as a collecter stand point how often do you buy or have somthing like that. It would be like buying the playstation one molds. I just love weird things. Edited March 9, 2010 by NBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovalbugmann Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) Ok then, it was a nice thought to save the Jaguar molds from melting, too bad you could not save them. At this point I highly doubt anyone outside of the Jaguar Community would possibly want these molds. If I had the money I would buy them and use them in my bedroom as bedstand endtables or in the living room as endstand tables!- can you imagine the conversation piece these would be!?!(as well as making a bunch of custom Jag shells with them) - I think the steel blocks with a thick-ass round glass tops being used as a set of four endtables would look "UltraModern" especially in a nice house. Or use two of the big ones with a large oval piece of really really thick glass as a coffee table in front of the couch. Edited March 9, 2010 by ovalbugmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 The bottom case mold is not original, its modified for the Dental usage, the seller said he'd check and see if he has a 2nd set of the bottom, but hasn't replied. Reserve is $8,000 for the set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzamess Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 While I love the idea of having a clear or different coloured case for one of my Jaguars, I wonder about the practicality. If the guy wants minimum of $8000 and it costs another $2000 to get the molds working, materials, etc. that's a substantial investment. Even if you charged say only $50 a shell, you'd have to sell 200 of them to break even. I'm not trying rain on anyone's parade here, but there would be a lot of hard work and expense involved with producing new shells, and for no guarantee of getting your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accousticguitar Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Is this thing really worth $8000 for scrap? That seems awfully high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Rice Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 My wife would kill me, but we may have the space at our warehouse and we do business regularly with an injection mold company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevincal Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'm sorry but this is so stupid... I love the Jaguar A LOT, but spending this kind of money for these hunks of metal is ridiculous... You could get Jaguar cases fabricated somewhere for WAY cheaper than 8k. I mean, these things are nothing to look at really, there's no Jaguar logos or anything right? You are just looking at hunks of steel that made Jag cases, big whoop! PS - If you want different color Jag cases.. UM.. PAINT EXISTING CASES! Really not that difficult... I realize its a lot of money worth of metal, but actually, speaking of that, how much EXACTLY are these things worth in scrap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'm sorry but this is so stupid... I love the Jaguar A LOT, but spending this kind of money for these hunks of metal is ridiculous... You could get Jaguar cases fabricated somewhere for WAY cheaper than 8k. I mean, these things are nothing to look at really, there's no Jaguar logos or anything right? You are just looking at hunks of steel that made Jag cases, big whoop! PS - If you want different color Jag cases.. UM.. PAINT EXISTING CASES! Really not that difficult... I realize its a lot of money worth of metal, but actually, speaking of that, how much EXACTLY are these things worth in scrap? High grade steel goes for $285 a ton as scrap. I couldn't find any information about P7, but unless it is mostly gold, silver or another precious metal, I doubt that it is worth 25 times as much. I also doubt Atari spent $250K on those molds originally unless they are including the time of the industrial designers who created the prototype cases, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Unless you get someone who knows what they're doing, painting usually looks like it's, well, just painted. Yuck. Besides, most people were looking for clear or translucent shells. I think a grey smoked shell would be awesome looking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevincal Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 LOL Ya but you are going to pay 8k+ just to have the ability to do clear cases!?!?! INSANITY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 LOL Ya but you are going to pay 8k+ just to have the ability to do clear cases!?!?! INSANITY! No, but I am willing to pool 8k+ so we can give them to Legacy Engineering and have Curt, Marty, & Co come up with new Jaguars!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osbo Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I have an idea, let's all collect that 8K and gave it to charity to feed some hungry people! 8K to have a clear shell for a game system? Please, give me a break... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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