Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

[+Stephen]

All you did was spew out what you THINK and shove the facts under the rug as if they didn't exist. All experiments are ONLY PROVEN for the person performing the experiment. *** Endless drivel snipped ***

Then please pray tell why you seem to feel that YOUR results apply to everyone else? Why does your supposed hundreds of megs of (picture) data supposed to make us bow down to you and say "You are correct - analog sticks are better"?

 

You have really been contradicting yourself a lot lately.

[Mirage]

Yes, this has to be the stupidest thread ever. As I've said before... it's completely pathetic and actually makes me sick (but I read for the entertainment factor).

 

Especially this so-called "philosophy student". What a joke.

 

If you're a philosophy student (or teacher? HA!), you should examine why this issue is even important.

 

It's not.

 

Fail.

 

[+Stephen]

Emotional? Not hardly.. Im just bored, and I find it hilarious...

 

And I dont have to create a bogus female account to support my arguments either..

 

Well, you are welcome to attend the philosophy class we hold here and meet both of us at the same time.

What philosophy is this (I am genuinely curious)? I am not aware of any decent teachings that would make me believe I am always correct, incapable of making mistakes, unbiased, purely logical. Who do you think you are, Admiral Spock?

 

Of course with your holier than thou, all knowing attitude, you would make a great religious leader / preacher. Funny that nobody here except your 2nd user account seems to follow any of your so called "teachings".

[+Stephen]

Emotional? Not hardly.. Im just bored, and I find it hilarious...

 

And I dont have to create a bogus female account to support my arguments either..

 

Well, you are welcome to attend the philosophy class we hold here and meet both of us at the same time.

 

I have no doubt that you probably have someone whom you can associate with the account in this type of contingency.

 

It's also obvious to everyone in here that you routinely USE that account as a means of furthering your arguments..

Yeah - not like you had any credibility before this thread, but what little bit you may have has gone right out the window. It must suck being so stubborn and getting ganged up on all the time. Odd that none of us here need multiple accounts with which to defend ourselves.

[JamesD]

No, her actual MAILING adress.. WHere she has things shipped to... Is the same adress his domain name is registered to.

 

Here in Texas, we have quite a beef industry.. Last I saw the figures, I beleieve we slaughter over 900,000 cows a day..

 

Man, theres nothing like a good slow-cooked chunk of sacred cow meat..

 

How does that refute or even address anything that I wrote?

It just proves your only support is you.

Sample size = 1

Oh, and you are troll.

 

The beef... he knows your pet peeves?

 

I see you are getting quite emotional like some others.

Really? How can you see that by reading? ESP? Point out where good old B&W text can clearly prove his emotional state.

I can write "YOU STUPID SON OF A B" while being totally calm.

Your claims of emotional response are clearly a tactic to paint your opponents as emotional and irrational rather than sticking to the discussion. Again, a diversionary tactic.

 

Everything according to many thoughts of philosophy is perfectly in control in the universe and although you have some freedom to act as you please, it all has a reaction just like Newton's laws of action/reaction for physical objects.

many thoughts = not all thoughts or even most thoughts... but clearly it is your thoughts. And philosophy is not science.

 

So although meat-eating and especially beef is bad for you health-wise, the worse part of it is yet to happen.

Sorry, latest studies show low calorie balanced diets are what is important.

But that isn't my opinion, it is the opinion of a study at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.

Beef isn't unhealthy on it's own, not eating a balanced diet, and/or too many calories is the problem.

 

Namely, the reaction for the suffering you cause to others comes back to you in the form of wars, tornadoes, hurricanes, murders, etc.

So... by that logic, vegetarians do not suffer, never get involved in war, never experience a tornado, hurricane, murder...

Pure brilliance!

 

Everything is just in the universe. Nothing is unfair.

So it is fair that a newborn infant has a heart defect that will kill them?

Even though they have done nothing to deserve it?

 

Come to think of it... if people from one country were to attack another country, and that country would nuke the other country in response... it would not be unfair?

 

Some people are more aware of these things than others.

Some people THINK they are more aware of these things than others.

And some people hear voices in their heads.

 

It doesn't piss me off if that was what you were trying to do. We spread that philosophy but it's up to the individual whether he uses it in his life or not. There's no force involved. There's NO EVIDENCE that things are not causally related in some way. Everything can be traced to a cause or people haven't yet traced it down.

There is no evidence that things ARE causally related in some way. At least not in this case.

 

You need to think about it when you are in a more calm state.

And you need to quit accusing people of being emotional when in fact, you have no idea what their emotional state is.

[+5-11under]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

[Barnacle boy]

Well, you are welcome to attend the philosophy class we hold here and meet both of us at the same time.

 

 

"Provided you are unbiased enough to accept that my pseudo-scientific psychobabble about the nature of the universe is a logical FACT, I will proceed to my next topic ... JOYSTICKS."

 

*Class stampedes for the exit*

[ApolloBoy]

No, her actual MAILING adress.. WHere she has things shipped to... Is the same adress his domain name is registered to.

 

Here in Texas, we have quite a beef industry.. Last I saw the figures, I beleieve we slaughter over 900,000 cows a day..

 

Man, theres nothing like a good slow-cooked chunk of sacred cow meat..

Wow, I guess our suspicions might be right!

 

BTW, I've got a hankering for some spicy beef teriyaki now...

[JamesD]

No, her actual MAILING adress.. WHere she has things shipped to... Is the same adress his domain name is registered to.

 

Here in Texas, we have quite a beef industry.. Last I saw the figures, I beleieve we slaughter over 900,000 cows a day..

 

Man, theres nothing like a good slow-cooked chunk of sacred cow meat..

Wow, I guess our suspicions might be right!

 

BTW, I've got a hankering for some spicy beef teriyaki now...

Stop it! You are making me hungry! All I had was one measly little piece of chicken and some mashed potatoes and carrots.

<sigh> A nice ribeye would sure hit the spot right now.

[atariksi]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

[atariksi]

Emotional? Not hardly.. Im just bored, and I find it hilarious...

 

And I dont have to create a bogus female account to support my arguments either..

 

Well, you are welcome to attend the philosophy class we hold here and meet both of us at the same time.

What philosophy is this (I am genuinely curious)? I am not aware of any decent teachings that would make me believe I am always correct, incapable of making mistakes, unbiased, purely logical. Who do you think you are, Admiral Spock?

 

Of course with your holier than thou, all knowing attitude, you would make a great religious leader / preacher. Funny that nobody here except your 2nd user account seems to follow any of your so called "teachings".

 

That's false. There's millions (maybe billions) of people who follow the philosophy of karma. It's actually a mechanistic philosophy and not really religious as you have some people who follow this without being theistic.

 

And anyone who has experience with Atari 800 games and Atari 5200 games for any length of time knows the difference between the two types of joystick interfaces. Experience is better than mental speculation.

[atariksi]

Yes, this has to be the stupidest thread ever. As I've said before... it's completely pathetic and actually makes me sick (but I read for the entertainment factor).

 

Especially this so-called "philosophy student". What a joke.

 

If you're a philosophy student (or teacher? HA!), you should examine why this issue is even important.

 

It's not.

 

Fail.

 

 

Unfortunately, your posts and some other trolls are the only one's that are stupid in that they don't address any of the arguments, nor the experiment, nor the logic, and nor the math. I wasn't relating it to my philosophy; Metalguy brought that up. Whether it's important or not too my philosophy, only those who are familiar with the philosophy can speak for that.

 

Keep repeating "fail" doesn't refute anything. I know it's "success" because I have 10+ years of playing with both types of joysticks. I suggest you drop your bias and study it scientifically.

[atariksi]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

 

Should read: Your laughing in ignorance doesn't change the facts.

 

It's Dr. Frog's philosophy to think there's two of us only. As I said many times earlier, in the 1980s digital joysticks dominated over analog joysticks by companies that were big then. They obviously did tests and experiments to determine why they should keep putting digital joystick ports in their new machines rather than the PC standard of analog joysticks. Not all their research is made public-- somethings are company trade secrets so not everything the PC world did was the latest and greatest. Atari 800 had 256 colors for many years before any other home computer manufacturer could. Each company has its own research.

[Mirage]

Unfortunately, your posts and some other trolls are the only one's that are stupid in that they don't address any of the arguments, nor the experiment, nor the logic, and nor the math. I wasn't relating it to my philosophy; Metalguy brought that up. Whether it's important or not too my philosophy, only those who are familiar with the philosophy can speak for that.

 

Keep repeating "fail" doesn't refute anything. I know it's "success" because I have 10+ years of playing with both types of joysticks. I suggest you drop your bias and study it scientifically.

 

There's nothing to address! You are a parody of yourself. You have no self-awareness whatsoever. I wish you could see yourself the way others see you, then you'd be laughing too.

[+5-11under]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

It doesn't really matter if F is not equal to ma under certain circumstances. Given the same circumstances, experiments regarding F and ma will give the same results. The same is not true for different people playing the same game under the same circumstances.

I'm mostly laughing because I was away for only about 3 hours, and found about a page and a half of posts, many from you, stoically trying to weasel out of a corner.

[atariksi]

Unfortunately, your posts and some other trolls are the only one's that are stupid in that they don't address any of the arguments, nor the experiment, nor the logic, and nor the math. I wasn't relating it to my philosophy; Metalguy brought that up. Whether it's important or not too my philosophy, only those who are familiar with the philosophy can speak for that.

 

Keep repeating "fail" doesn't refute anything. I know it's "success" because I have 10+ years of playing with both types of joysticks. I suggest you drop your bias and study it scientifically.

 

There's nothing to address! You are a parody of yourself. You have no self-awareness whatsoever. I wish you could see yourself the way others see you, then you'd be laughing too.

 

If you don't see anything to address, then you messed up or didn't read the thread. Just speculating something about others doesn't help your argument which is non-existent so far. You are blindly following like some others so I don't want to see myself from that perspective or be in your helpless ignorant position.

[+5-11under]

Atariksi,

 

Honest question: Is this thread part of some course you're taking, or some psychological experiment?

[Mirage]

Unfortunately, your posts and some other trolls are the only one's that are stupid in that they don't address any of the arguments, nor the experiment, nor the logic, and nor the math. I wasn't relating it to my philosophy; Metalguy brought that up. Whether it's important or not too my philosophy, only those who are familiar with the philosophy can speak for that.

 

Keep repeating "fail" doesn't refute anything. I know it's "success" because I have 10+ years of playing with both types of joysticks. I suggest you drop your bias and study it scientifically.

 

There's nothing to address! You are a parody of yourself. You have no self-awareness whatsoever. I wish you could see yourself the way others see you, then you'd be laughing too.

 

If you don't see anything to address, then you messed up or didn't read the thread. Just speculating something about others doesn't help your argument which is non-existent so far. You are blindly following like some others so I don't want to see myself from that perspective or be in your helpless ignorant position.

 

OMG, it's just... so... OMG, it's just so pathetic. PATHETIC!!!!

[Mirage]

Atariksi,

 

Honest question: Is this thread part of some course you're taking, or some psychological experiment?

 

It's gotta be. No one who "thinks" like this guy could survive for very long in the real world.

[atariksi]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

It doesn't really matter if F is not equal to ma under certain circumstances. Given the same circumstances, experiments regarding F and ma will give the same results. The same is not true for different people playing the same game under the same circumstances.

That's your speculation. How do you know it will give the same results without having performed the experiment? F=ma is proven for ONLY those that performed the experiment. I don't follow blindly so I won't take your word for it. The uncertainty and long throws are constants for all analog joysticks being compared here; that's more of a fact than F=ma. You will always have less control with digital joysticks vs. analog joysticks. All you do is blurt out whatever comes in the top of your head without even reading the posts. For example, I just wrote a few posts ago how just the analog interface itself causes distortions even for digital joysticks and nobody addressed it. What to speak of the analog joystick itself's issues.

 

I'm mostly laughing because I was away for only about 3 hours, and found about a page and a half of posts, many from you, stoically trying to weasel out of a corner.

 

What corner. You are hallucinating. My points haven't even been addressed in the past 25 or so posts. Again, you just speculated something to try to suppress things. Mostly just trolls and off-topic comments.

[+5-11under]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

 

Should read: Your laughing in ignorance doesn't change the facts.

 

It's Dr. Frog's philosophy to think there's two of us only. As I said many times earlier, in the 1980s digital joysticks dominated over analog joysticks by companies that were big then. They obviously did tests and experiments to determine why they should keep putting digital joystick ports in their new machines rather than the PC standard of analog joysticks. Not all their research is made public-- somethings are company trade secrets so not everything the PC world did was the latest and greatest. Atari 800 had 256 colors for many years before any other home computer manufacturer could. Each company has its own research.

I won't believe this until I see it. I don't think any tests and experiments were done to determine why they should keep putting digital joystick ports in rather than analog. It's a jumble of innovation, marketing, all leading to potential sales figures that helps determine this. What's the cheapest? If we spend more, will we make up the difference in sales, or can we charge more? If there was a lot of testing, and if the individual didn't matter (i.e. if you were right), then all joysticks would be the same. Instead, we continue to have digital joysticks, analog joysticks, accelerometers, cameras, paddles, and less popular controllers.

[atariksi]

Atariksi,

 

Honest question: Is this thread part of some course you're taking, or some psychological experiment?

 

Actually, I have been arguing analog vs. digital joysticks for a long time in various forums including A5200 forum. Nothing to do with psychology. Although trolls usually use psychological tricks like name-calling or you lose or whatever to make themselves feel good or mislead others.

[+5-11under]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

It doesn't really matter if F is not equal to ma under certain circumstances. Given the same circumstances, experiments regarding F and ma will give the same results. The same is not true for different people playing the same game under the same circumstances.

That's your speculation. How do you know it will give the same results without having performed the experiment? F=ma is proven for ONLY those that performed the experiment. I don't follow blindly so I won't take your word for it. The uncertainty and long throws are constants for all analog joysticks being compared here; that's more of a fact than F=ma. You will always have less control with digital joysticks vs. analog joysticks. All you do is blurt out whatever comes in the top of your head without even reading the posts. For example, I just wrote a few posts ago how just the analog interface itself causes distortions even for digital joysticks and nobody addressed it. What to speak of the analog joystick itself's issues.

 

I'm mostly laughing because I was away for only about 3 hours, and found about a page and a half of posts, many from you, stoically trying to weasel out of a corner.

 

What corner. You are hallucinating. My points haven't even been addressed in the past 25 or so posts. Again, you just speculated something to try to suppress things. Mostly just trolls and off-topic comments.

I read the last posts, but nothing you wrote made an impression on me. I ain't re-reading them, but I still remember laughing... I'm laughing again, because you're so serious, and I think you're lying to yourself, or joking, or something. Is this thread an experiment???

[atariksi]

Atariksi, I haven't laughed this hard all week.

I repeat... your experiment only applies to the one performing the experiment. That's the limit of the scope.

Keep having fun!

 

But the logic/math applies to everyone. That's how it works. If F=ma was true for everyone/everywhere, Einstein wouldn't have disproven it. You trust those performing the experiment and accept it blindly.

 

Your laughing in ignorance change the facts. And there's a lot more than two of us who have the experience with this digital vs. analog joystick.

 

Should read: Your laughing in ignorance doesn't change the facts.

 

It's Dr. Frog's philosophy to think there's two of us only. As I said many times earlier, in the 1980s digital joysticks dominated over analog joysticks by companies that were big then. They obviously did tests and experiments to determine why they should keep putting digital joystick ports in their new machines rather than the PC standard of analog joysticks. Not all their research is made public-- somethings are company trade secrets so not everything the PC world did was the latest and greatest. Atari 800 had 256 colors for many years before any other home computer manufacturer could. Each company has its own research.

I won't believe this until I see it. I don't think any tests and experiments were done to determine why they should keep putting digital joystick ports in rather than analog. It's a jumble of innovation, marketing, all leading to potential sales figures that helps determine this. What's the cheapest? If we spend more, will we make up the difference in sales, or can we charge more? If there was a lot of testing, and if the individual didn't matter (i.e. if you were right), then all joysticks would be the same. Instead, we continue to have digital joysticks, analog joysticks, accelerometers, cameras, paddles, and less popular controllers.

 

Well Atari, Sega and other *GAMING* companies were more interested in joystick interfaces than business type machines like PCs. If you even studied the history of the game port, it was originally implemented by IBM for paddles. Analog joystick was adapted for it. It doesn't matter what you think, you have to find out for sure. That's why I conducted the experiments myself after experiencing differences in game play. However, you can easily reason w/o experimenting that there's no way to know the state of the joystick in the analog case and this plays an important role in control. Similarly, the throw of the joystick has to be bigger in the analog case in order to perfrom as an analog joystick and this leads to slower switch time (and thus less control).

[atariksi]

I have no doubt that you probably have someone whom you can associate with the account in this type of contingency.

 

It's also obvious to everyone in here that you routinely USE that account as a means of furthering your arguments..

 

You can speculate whatever you want. You should speak for yourself as everyone is not you nor do you even know everyone.