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Its better than Ultima II though. I wanted to like Ultima II. The story was awesome, but the game was just so dumb. The dungeons were completely optional, there was hardly anything going on, and well, it was CGA so man did that suck hard. At least the EGA patch kinda fixes that.

 

Ultima II is the ultima that is dying to be remade. It needs fixed.

I understand why many who revisit Ultima II think it needs to be "fixed", but it really doesn't. It's fine how it is. People forget, or perhaps they don't realize, that early CRPGs like Ultima II come from a different era, an era that valued design and gameplay elements very different from those of today, an era when RPG was pronounced "role playing game", not "ar-pee-gee". The early Ultimas were as much about just playing around in immense virtual worlds as they were about accomplishing some ultimate goal. In that regard, they were really the original sandbox games as well. I played UII for over a year, building up my character, exploring, and just plain messing around with things, before I ever got serious about vanquishing Minax. The fact that the dungeons, towers, and seven of the planets in Ultima II didn't contain any mandatory plot elements was entirely beside the point. You went to those places because it was fun to explore them, to fight the monsters you found there, and to collect your rewards. Most importantly, it was fun to use your imagination in the process. I think it is a testament to Garriot's genius that even after the plot had assumed preeminence in the subsequent Ultimas, he was able to preserve so many of these earlier elements within those later games. Anyway, I prefer to focus more on appreciating the early Ultimas for what they are. IMO, we lose far more than we gain when we try to refashion the past to suit our present sensibilities.

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*facepalm* wow.

 

I understand why many who revisit Ultima II think it needs to be "fixed", but it really doesn't. It's fine how it is. People forget, or perhaps they don't realize, that early CRPGs like Ultima II come from a different era, an era that valued design and gameplay elements very different from those of today, an era when RPG was pronounced "role playing game", not "ar-pee-gee". The early Ultimas were as much about just playing around in immense virtual worlds as they were about accomplishing some ultimate goal.

 

Saying "the era when it was pronounced Role Playing Game instead of RPG" is kinda pretentious. Its a frigging acronym. They used it in the 70s for the pen and paper games that birthed CRPGs.

 

The game is lacking. Ultima II is Akalabeth with Moongates and a boss battle. A step backwards for Ultima. Even LB said so (I think), and used the excuse that he was learning ML at the time. You'll notice Ultima III is way better but has an Ultima II feel to it.

 

 

In that regard, they were really the original sandbox games as well. I played UII for over a year, building up my character, exploring, and just plain messing around with things, before I ever got serious about vanquishing Minax. The fact that the dungeons, towers, and seven of the planets in Ultima II didn't contain any mandatory plot elements was entirely beside the point. You went to those places because it was fun to explore them, to fight the monsters you found there, and to collect your rewards. Most importantly, it was fun to use your imagination in the process. I think it is a testament to Garriot's genius that even after the plot had assumed preeminence in the subsequent Ultimas, he was able to preserve so many of these earlier elements within those later games. Anyway, I prefer to focus more on appreciating the early Ultimas for what they are. IMO, we lose far more than we gain when we try to refashion the past to suit our present sensibilities.

 

How come Ultima 1 had more meat to it than Ultima 2 did? Ultima II's virtual world is detailed, and large.... but that shows how the game lacks content, and feels unfinished. Its like a prototype for Ultima III. Was there an era shift between 1 and 2's release that said it was OK to just kinda not have alot going on? You need more imagination in 2 than you do in 1. I don't get how thats a good thing. They could have had something to do in the dungeons and towers. There could have been more questing, and communication. The space portion was totally lame in comparison to Ultima I, and everything else neat about Ultima I vanished in Ultima II. There could have been alot of things added to the game. They should have been added for that matter. Requiring extensive imagination is sort of dumb considering its a computer game fully capable of presenting the adventure to you. Save that extensive imagining for pen/paper land.

 

Lord British calls on you to stop Minax. He didn't call on you to go ADD and wander about in random tower #12 for awhile, just for the hell of it. Do that after you save the day.

 

 

I like the story in Ultima II alot. The original trilogy is my favorite part of the series TBH. The whole avatar thing in Ultima IV is kinda corny overall. It's neat, but its corny. Ultima V goes back to beating up evil bastards again...yay for that. Ultima V is like the perfect game.

 

VI is neat and all, and I wish the game didn't play like it did. Its kind of cumbersome. I like the latent anti-racism storyline.

VII ... yeah... The Serpent Isle is cool, but the black gate is pretty boring. I don't care about the whole murder mystery BS. It gets better at the end, but man alot of it is like *yawn*.

VIII has a nice story, but the worst gameplay ever. Plus the Avatar looks like a jackass. I can't take the game seriously at all because of how stupid he looks.

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*facepalm* wow.

 

Saying "the era when it was pronounced Role Playing Game instead of RPG" is kinda pretentious. Its a frigging acronym. They used it in the 70s for the pen and paper games that birthed CRPGs.

Facepalm?

 

Really?

 

Facepalm?!

 

Hmmm... okay. :ponder:

 

I'm terribly sorry that my assessment of Ultima II has made you so distraught that you feel you have to hide your head in your hands, but really now, it isn't necessary to get all douchey about it. Frankly, I don't understand how it's even possible to be pretentious about a 30 year old computer game, but fine, maybe I sounded pretentious. Whatever. I honestly couldn't care less. I just expressed an opinion, and at this point, you can take it or leave it because I have better things to do than bicker with you about the role one's imagination played in a CRPG 30 years ago or, indeed, whether the pronunciation of that particular abbreviation* is pretentious or not.

 

Ultima V is like the perfect game.

We seem to agree on this point, at least.

 

 

*At the risk of you calling me pretentious again, I don't believe "RPG" is a proper acronym. It's an initialism.

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RG did indeed state that Ultima II was done to learn ML. I have a book with a 12 or so page interview of him and he states just that.

 

Also, How can you hate on the black gate? Did you forget the sword add-on? IMO that was probably the best short quest in any of the Ultimas.

 

Lastly. One thing the PC games (4 5 and 6) have on the console games, is you can carry over your character.

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RG did indeed state that Ultima II was done to learn ML. I have a book with a 12 or so page interview of him and he states just that.

Yeah, I read that interview years ago. I think it was in the Ultima IX strategy guide?

 

You can tell while playing that more time was spent making it work, than making it good. :(

 

I think it needs to be redone!

 

Also, How can you hate on the black gate? Did you forget the sword add-on? IMO that was probably the best short quest in any of the Ultimas.

The Forge of Virtue was the only part of Black Gate I liked

 

that and casting Armageddon and laughing my ass off. wandering around dicking off was more fun than the actual story. I love the gameplay/engine. Its just the story that I dont like.

 

Lastly. One thing the PC games (4 5 and 6) have on the console games, is you can carry over your character.

Yeah. Carrying over characters is pretty awesome.

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I dont know why Ultima II gets a bad rap. It was my first Ultima and the Moongates + Space +Different lands made it awesome IMHO. This was before any thoughts of a 'Trilogy' was in place. Remember Ultima I had land speeders in it!

 

Anyhow - it was pretty open ended with lots of exploring to do which is something most games lacked back then. I agree that the dungeons and towers not having a purpose was a bit of a hole in the story - however, other than that it can be a pretty quick play :)

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Quick play is part of the reason its not very good.

 

You get a boat, flail around, build your strength up, get a ring + sword, and kill the bitch. The end. Ultima 1 had more going on. The towns were retarded looking, but it was neat. If Ultima II had some questing going on that would have been great.

 

Maybe keys or gemstones to navigate the gates, or something. Anything. Those towers were begging for things to be done.

 

I really do like the setting and story of Ultima II and the atmosphere, but theres like nothing going on and that sucks.

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I'm not sure where I stand in this discussion.

 

Despite my age (40-ish), I never played any of the classic computer or console RPG games growing up. In terms of hardware, I went from an Atari 2600 (1981) to a Coco (1983) to a PC (1988) to a PlayStation (2003) and now a PS 2 (2008). (I played AD&D a little bit in high school, but only very casually.)

 

Virtually nothing mainstream was ported to the Coco; I cannot think of a single RPG title (possibly excluding Dungeons of Daggorath). Consequently, I have only experienced some of the famous NES/Genesis titles (e.g. Dragon Warrior, Pool of Radiance, Phantasy Star II) rather recently and through emulation.

 

I really like the gameplay of many of these titles, but I also find them painfully slow. I have also been spoiled by the superior graphics of newer titles. Having played, for example, Baldur's Gate, it's really hard to get excited over any NES "Gold Box" SSI game. Probably I would feel differently if I had some positive memories of these games from my childhood, but it is hard to get into them "fresh" at this point.

 

 

This is exactly what I've been saying. I really think that if you hadn't been exposed to these games early on, it's nearly impossible to become immersed in them. Graphics tend to play a big part in a game, or at the very least, the presentation of a game's graphics. The graphics don't have to be amazing, but it has to feel immersive. That's why I was suggesting the console games in the "Dragon Warrior" style for the earlier Ultima games. Although they might lack a few things (maybe even what some would consider to be critical pieces) of the game's plot, the fact is... you're probably totally unlikely to actually play any of those older games. It's a shame really... because many of these older games had to rely on richly developed plots, rather than graphics. Today it seems that many games rely more on graphics than on plot. And... the fact that the graphics ARE as good as they are, require a lot of the plot to be compressed because of the massive size and production constraints.

 

System Shock, Bio Shock... games like that all take place in smaller isolated areas... IE: a space station, a ship, a single underground city. Just like the Ultima Underworlds. They are some of the more recent games that have stellar plots... but if the graphics weren't so overly impression (most of them for their time), I'm sure there would be a lot more "TO" the game... like Sentinel Worlds, or Star Control... less on graphics, more on plot.

 

For what it's worth though, the only "Gold Box" game that ever made it to the NES that I'm aware of was Pool of Radiance. All of those other games like Hillsfar, Dragons of Flame, etc... those aren't technically the gold box games. They ARE TSR / SSI games, but not the Gold Box Games.

 

The Gold Box Games include:

 

FORGOTTEN REALMS:

Pool of Radiance

Curse of the Azure Bonds

Secret of the Silver Blades

Pools of Darkness

 

DRAGON LANCE:

Champions of Krynn

Death Knights of Krynn

Dark Queen of Krynn

 

SAVAGE FRONTIER:

Gateway to the Savage Frontier

Treasures of the Savage Frontier

 

 

All of them supported AT LEAST EGA, and all of them supported AT LEAST AdLib sound with the exception of Pool of Radiance.

 

The last four of them supported VGA too... Both Savage Frontier, Pools of Darkness, and Dark Queen of Krynn.

 

They ARE actually better on the PC in every way. There is a little bit more story-line to the game, a few more side-plots too.

 

 

Unlike with Ultima 3 and 4, PC vs NES... the PC version of Pool of Radiance is actually much better. The graphics are superior too... the only thing is, the sound ends up being a bit better on the NES.

 

 

 

And Communism a failure? China is doing pretty well for itself, if I may say so.

 

 

Dude, you've got to be kidding me. Please tell me you're just joking, or are you actually stupid? Do you know what Communism is? Communism has lead to more deaths in history than anything else since the big bang. I don't even know where to go to this. Are you like one of those recluse computer nerds who's never watched the news, and doesn't know anything other than video games?

 

You DO realize that China has begun succeeding because it's shifted more towards Capitalism than Communism in the past 2 decades. 2 decades ago, they were full Communist... and they were horribly impoverished. They have embraced capitalism, and that is what has led to their success. On the other side, countries which have embraced socialism have begun to fail... IE: Greece, Ireland...

 

You do NOT want to get into this discussion with me, because I will bury you. You know not about what you speak... idiot.

 

 

Ultima V on the NES is realllly frikkkking bad. They should have kept with the sprinkling JRPG all over the game concept from 3 and 4 on NES. Instead you get some jackassed wannabe PC game with awful controls and Dither9000 graphics.

 

Ultima V is my favorite Ultima, with 3 being next. V w/ the MIDI add on is epic. Beautiful frigging game.

 

Ultima II is the ultima that is dying to be remade. It needs fixed.

 

The game needs to be as awesome as the boxart. Its the best boxart of any Ultima, oh man.

 

I would LOVE to see 1-5 all remade. My ideal configuration would be something like Ultima 6, except in VGA. I love U7 and 7 part 2... but U6 I think would fit those older games a bit better.

 

 

Anyway, I prefer to focus more on appreciating the early Ultimas for what they are. IMO, we lose far more than we gain when we try to refashion the past to suit our present sensibilities.

 

 

I suppose... like... for example, remaking a classic Muscle Car. A 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T will never be as cool as a 1969 Dodge Challenger R/T.

 

But... no one wants to relive the moon landing in the Apollo / Eagle in 2011, when we could built something significantly more efficient and functions better.

 

Give and take I suppose...

 

 

 

Really?

 

Facepalm?!

 

 

 

I'm facpalming myself at the thought that there is ACTUALLY a stupid dumb-ass on this message board that thinks Communism is a good thing. That guy is probably from Europe, and has no friggin clue that his entire "basis" for understanding government is nothing more than as a pawn of a massive clandestine propoganda exercise between Communist Russia and Capitalist United States during the 50s-80s.

 

Through the stretch of the Cold War... both Russia and the United States dumped hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into governments all across Europe and South America. The Russians would support the local Communist Party, or at the very least, the Socialist Party. The United States would always support the Democracy Party, or at the very least, the Socialist Party when the Communist party was the alternative. By the 80s, over a trillion dollars had been spent combined between Russia and the US on propoganda. Sure, the US and Russia basicalled shaped the governments that greater Europe now has... but if it wasn't for the United States dumping billions and billions of dollars into propoganda and political financial support... almost every single European country would be communist right now.

 

I remember when I used to visit Holland back in the 80s... my cousins and their friends would tell me that USA sucked and that Russia would eventually take us over... yeah, that happened.

 

You guys really have no f**king clue. You're parents... and their parents were essentially raised on two completely different political spectrums. What you were left with was basically a watered down version of both...

 

There's a reason why the USA and Australia are heavily capitalist... because Russia never had the chance, or the ability to push communism in those countries.

 

This isn't tinfoil hat BS... this is all simple information you can get from declassified information from the Freedom of Information Act that was passed under the Johnson administration, amended under the Clinton administration, and again under Bush Jr.

 

Man, what a dumb-ass... there's only one thing in this world I hate more than Minivans and Child Molsters... and that's Communists.

 

 

I have to EDIT this and add to this.

 

HOW can you think Communism "does well?" How many examples throughout history must there be before you realize this? How can you NOT see how MANY times Communism has failed???

 

North Korea vs South Korea : North Koreans live in mud huts, and less than 5% of them have electricity. South Korea is wildly successful and makes the Kia / Hyundai that sells world-wide, along with numerous other products.

 

East Germany vs West Germany : Have you ever been to East Germany during the 80s? I have... we had to do an emergency landing in the East German bloc when I was flying back from Egypt into Skipol NL. We disembarked from a 747... from a 747 with a ladder truck because they were too poor to afford a normal sized terminal. We disembarked to the sight of 30+ communist East-German soldiers with AK-47s. They made us sit in a terminal while they fixed something on the plane (I don't know what was wrong with the KLM flight, but moments before, it dropped several thousand feet adn everyone flew in the air and the gas masks dropped. But I was 7, so I didn't realize the gravity of the situation). Anyway... East Germany failed miserably... and West Germany re-claimed the land. Just look at the clear-cut differences... it was almost like the Koreas.

 

USSR vs America : Maybe you weren't aware of this... but Communist Russia collapsed in the mid 90s. The United Soviet Socialist Republic (or CCCP in Russian) collapsed, and all of their satelite countries broke free. They've never recovered. I see their "delegation" at the World Money Show... all of their investment literature is apologetic... showing pictures of Reagan and Gorbachev shaking hands. It's hilarious. I almost feel bad for them, except for the fact that you can tell how thrilled they are to be in the US... even if just for a week.

 

 

And two perfect examples:

 

China - As they've moved towards Capitalism... they've become wildly successful.

 

Venezuela - As the Chavistas have taken control and the country nationalizes companies... they've become more and more broke. All the money has fled Venezuela and all the wealthy now live in other countries.

 

 

And here's my final bit of proof... if you don't believe it, maybe you'll beleive Communist Leader Fidel Castro : "Communism Doesn't Work!"

I don't know WHY this didn't make news headlines on the major news outlets... seems like it would be a pretty big deal. But it spread all over the blogosphere when he said it. He also said he wants to become more capitalist. Canadians on here will know what I'm talking about. In the past 5 years, he's really relaxed the laws and regulations to allow more tourism. Personally, I think JFK should have helped the Batistas during the Bay of Pigs invasion... we totally let them down. He did man up when Kruschev parked those nukes on the shore though...

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Sometime in the distant future, I may take on remaking Revenge of the Enchantress, the way the game shoulda been.

 

I'll spiff it up and it'll fail miserably, but ITS GONNA RULE.

 

 

Now to decide what console/system/platform to make it for.

 

It really is a beautiful concept, they just like forgot to finish it. The pie needs to go back in the oven for a little.

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It's the Ultima 4 5 6 guide.

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1559581301?ie=UTF8&tag=atariage&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1559581301

 

I love this book and it reads like a great story based in Britannia as well.

 

 

I have a few cool Ultima books as well. One of them is the Official Book of Ultima 2nd edition by Shay Adams

Listed here: http://www.notableultima.com/collectibles/Books_OBOU.html

 

It also has a well written history of Ultima.

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82-T/A is trying to write: You do NOT want to get into this discussion with me, because I will bury you. You know not about what you speak... idiot.

 

You cannot bury me because nobody can. And you already lost any argument by resorting to abuse. LOST.

 

And remember, NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

 

 

I would happily discuss communism vs capitalism in PM, but I take it by your response, that you're looking for a quick out since you have no idea what you're talking about. So I'll grant it to you. The easiest way to get out of having to discuss politics is to pretend to take the high road... I get it.

 

My PM box is totally open if you want to shoot me a response... hahaha... I'd be very shocked if I actually got something from you though.

 

Communism... please... hahaha...

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Actually, I'm chugging away at U4.. well with a hintbook/walkthrough, and it's pretty sad (good?) how much I remember where runes were located and where each of the party characters reside, etc. Double new moons! Double Full Moons! :D Some things just stick with you I guess. I actually only found that Collectible Ultima website during this thread chatter, I had never seen it, nor did I know all those OTHER books existed.

 

To add another perspective, I'd have loved to see World of Warcraft with an Ultima patch.

Imagine a full size balron bearing down on you? Magic axes tossed left and right? I can dream. :ponder:

 

BTW. I wouldn't consider China a full communist country. They have adopted quite a bit of the 'free market' metrics and methods, that a full blown Communist country would never have.

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And right now 82-T/A is quite SHOCKED

 

(and he's got one more thing wrong too: I was never defending Communism)

 

 

Well, if you're not defending communism, then what are you doing trying to get me all worked up?

 

 

Actually, I'm chugging away at U4.. well with a hintbook/walkthrough, and it's pretty sad (good?) how much I remember where runes were located and where each of the party characters reside, etc. Double new moons! Double Full Moons! :D Some things just stick with you I guess. I actually only found that Collectible Ultima website during this thread chatter, I had never seen it, nor did I know all those OTHER books existed.

 

To add another perspective, I'd have loved to see World of Warcraft with an Ultima patch.

Imagine a full size balron bearing down on you? Magic axes tossed left and right? I can dream. :ponder:

 

BTW. I wouldn't consider China a full communist country. They have adopted quite a bit of the 'free market' metrics and methods, that a full blown Communist country would never have.

 

 

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, or maybe I just missed it... but has anyone read this book?

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568814119?ie=UTF8&tag=atariage&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1568814119

 

 

Dungeons and Desktops: The History of Computer Role-playing Games

 

I ordered it a while back. I haven't read through the entire thing but instead poked around in the various chapters that interested me the most. It's a really good book. It goes into detail all of these games. I think he either played and beat all of them himself, or interviewed people who have.

 

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I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, or maybe I just missed it... but has anyone read this book?

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568814119?ie=UTF8&tag=atariage&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1568814119

 

Good catch!

 

Great book!!

And Matt's an awesome guy also! You can check him out at armchairarcade.com and youtube (Matt Chat)...

 

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Anyway, I prefer to focus more on appreciating the early Ultimas for what they are. IMO, we lose far more than we gain when we try to refashion the past to suit our present sensibilities.

 

 

I suppose... like... for example, remaking a classic Muscle Car. A 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T will never be as cool as a 1969 Dodge Challenger R/T.

 

But... no one wants to relive the moon landing in the Apollo / Eagle in 2011, when we could built something significantly more efficient and functions better.

 

Give and take I suppose...

Sort of... not exactly. I just happen to think that Ultima II was what it was. Was it imperfect? Of course it was, but whatever it was, it was plenty good enough at the time.

 

Thirty years into the future we can all identify aspects of Ultima II that could be "fixed" to make the game more agreeable to our modern sensibilities. The same can be said of ALL the other Ultimas too. In fact, most have already been reengineered in some aspect or another.

 

Like I said, I understand why people feel compelled to refashion the past in this way, and in select cases, I can see the benefits. But what I don't accept is this implication that our experiences with Ultima II back in the day are considered somehow diminished because according to some modern sensibility, Ultima II isn't "perfect". Neither is any other game I've played in the last thirty years.

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82-T/A is trying to write: You do NOT want to get into this discussion with me, because I will bury you. You know not about what you speak... idiot.

 

You cannot bury me because nobody can. And you already lost any argument by resorting to abuse. LOST.

 

And remember, NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

 

Protip: Talk about Ultima, or stfu and go rub your nuts all over some other thread.

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So who liked the RPG Ultima: Escape from Mt. Drash?

 

I liked it to laugh at...

 

but I laugh at most (all) VIC-20 games.

 

 

 

It really is a kind of neat game, just a little dopey around the edges. Those battles are comical.

 

 

Super pro answer:

nuff said!

 

Actually playing Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 at the moment, and those games rock.

Had a hell of a time getting Ultima Underworld 2 to work, but heck it was worth it.

 

 

And, my nuts are no concern of yours, unless you're after them of course!

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I suppose... like... for example, remaking a classic Muscle Car. A 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T will never be as cool as a 1969 Dodge Challenger R/T.

 

But... no one wants to relive the moon landing in the Apollo / Eagle in 2011, when we could built something significantly more efficient and functions better.

 

Give and take I suppose...

Sort of... not exactly. I just happen to think that Ultima II was what it was. Was it imperfect? Of course it was, but whatever it was, it was plenty good enough at the time.

 

Thirty years into the future we can all identify aspects of Ultima II that could be "fixed" to make the game more agreeable to our modern sensibilities. The same can be said of ALL the other Ultimas too. In fact, most have already been reengineered in some aspect or another.

 

Like I said, I understand why people feel compelled to refashion the past in this way, and in select cases, I can see the benefits. But what I don't accept is this implication that our experiences with Ultima II back in the day are considered somehow diminished because according to some modern sensibility, Ultima II isn't "perfect". Neither is any other game I've played in the last thirty years.

 

 

I totally understand... I would never suggest that the experiences people have had back then were any less great than they would be now... I just think much of the modern generation has come to... well... I don't want to say "come to expect more" because I don't want to make the game sound bad... but just that it might be hard for people to get into it. I can only really speak from my perspective.

 

Truth is, I really don't have any time to play any games, as much as I'd love to. I'm ALMOST done with school, and then maybe I will. But as an adult, what little time I have, I just can't sit down and play one of those games. (even an NES rpg)

 

I would love to sit down and just play those Ultima games straight through though.

 

Ultima 5, the improved version, does sound really appealing though. From what I understand, the plot of Ultima-4 is apparently quite good?

 

 

 

Super pro answer:

nuff said!

 

Actually playing Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 at the moment, and those games rock.

Had a hell of a time getting Ultima Underworld 2 to work, but heck it was worth it.

 

 

And, my nuts are no concern of yours, unless you're after them of course!

 

 

Oh man, I love the Ultima Underworld games.

 

There's not a HUGE difference in game-play between Ultima Underworld 1 and Ultima Underworld II... but I would LOVE to see Underworld 1 with the UW2 engine. The graphics are ever so slightly improved...

 

I wonder if anyone has done any enhancements for UW2?

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