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#26 Omegamatrix OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:37 PM

Only three of those tapes, exactly my argument, one should provide a dump on AtariMania for safekeeping and others to use.


How would you / what would be needed - to dump one of these?
I think this may be the main reason it hasn't been dumped.
Could one simply use a tape deck to make a copy?

Yes, it would be best to make a copy on a quality tape. Then the copy would then be converted into a binary that could be used in an emulator. Or if you wanted to play the game on real hardware you could use the copy itself.


The quality of the copy has to be good though.

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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:42 PM

Hey that's neat for Euro 1800,00, but for that I expect a complete PictureMate, but is Mangia' so valuable already? Euro 500?
My CIB Bumper Bash from the same guy (and gal?) was Aus$ 67.00 you sure about 250+?

Anyway, I reckon you should keep it and not sell the collection.

Edited by high voltage, Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:44 PM.


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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:56 PM

Hey that's neat for Euro 1800,00, but for that I expect a complete PictureMate, but is Mangia' so valuable already? Euro 500?
My CIB Bumper Bash from the same guy (and gal?) was Aus$ 67.00 you sure about 250+?

Anyway, I reckon you should keep it and not sell the collection.


Sheeesh - you don't want much ;)
I should add that Mangia, chase the chuck, bumper, gas hog are all in minty condition, although your bumper was still a bargain for its condition.

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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:57 PM

Only three of those tapes, exactly my argument, one should provide a dump on AtariMania for safekeeping and others to use.


How would you / what would be needed - to dump one of these?
I think this may be the main reason it hasn't been dumped.
Could one simply use a tape deck to make a copy?

Yes, it would be best to make a copy on a quality tape. Then the copy would then be converted into a binary that could be used in an emulator. Or if you wanted to play the game on real hardware you could use the copy itself.


The quality of the copy has to be good though.


If I had a double cassette deck i'd post you a copy... but I don't unfortunately

Edited by nofrills100, Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:58 PM.


#30 Mitch OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:29 PM

Record it as a wav file on your PC.

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#31 nofrills100 OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:39 AM

Record it as a wav file on your PC.

Mitch


yeah suuuuuuuure!! ;)

I am pretty much computer illiterate!

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:05 AM

I wish someone would make/sell some copies, but nobody comes forward to do some copying. If I get an original I'd share it straight away.

I would share it too but I can completely understand why someone wouldn't want to do it, especially if they just paid a lot to get an original. If it was easy to get it might not be considered to be as valuable.

How would you / what would be needed - to dump one of these?
I think this may be the main reason it hasn't been dumped.
Could one simply use a tape deck to make a copy?


I have the equipment to do it, tape deck and cable to connect to PC. I just don't have the PictureMate cassette :(

Nofrills100, I'm in Australia too so if your interested in borrowing the tape deck and cable send me a PM. (The tape desk is small enough to post).
Even if you just want to try it out with your CompuMate and take some photos of the screens before you sell it that would be great! If you decide to make a WAV file I can give you instructions.

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:27 PM

When I was buying my Compumate last year on ebay, there seemed to be a sudden influx of Compumates on the market, especially from Venezuela. When I searched ebay yesterday for a Compumate, there were none. Did the market dry up?

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:28 PM

When I was buying my Compumate last year on ebay, there seemed to be a sudden influx of Compumates on the market, especially from Venezuela. When I searched ebay yesterday for a Compumate, there were none. Did the market dry up?



Correction: there is one up for sale on ebay from Venezuela. When i looked yesterday, i made the mistake of looking under the category of video games, but its listed under vintage computer. Now to decide whether I can actually afford to buy another one of these things.....

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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:01 AM

Correction: there is one up for sale on ebay from Venezuela. When i looked yesterday, i made the mistake of looking under the category of video games, but its listed under vintage computer. Now to decide whether I can actually afford to buy another one of these things.....


Another one was sold on eBay Australia two weeks ago. It didn't have the box though. It sold for only AUD$15.50!

I tried to bid on it at the last minute but I was using eBay on my phone and I didn't have a good signal so I missed out. :(

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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:03 AM

BTW: My Quelle Compumate is PAL and CIB...

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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:34 PM

I used to have a Quelle Universum Compumate, and an unboxed Spectravideo Compumate.
The Quelle I gave to my Nephew back in 86, the Spectravideo I sold in 2004, when I auctioned off my VCS collection.

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Posted Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:09 AM

Did the market dry up?

There are two on GameGavel at the moment. Link. The guy also has some other rare Atari stuff, including a bunch of sealed late-release games.

--Zero

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Posted Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:27 AM

Did the market dry up?

There are two on GameGavel at the moment. Link. The guy also has some other rare Atari stuff, including a bunch of sealed late-release games.

--Zero


Thanks for the link, Zero

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Posted Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:15 PM

Hi Everyone,

Yet another list of serial numbers! This time it is for the Spectravideo CompuMate.

Please let me know the serial number of your CompuMate and if you have the box and/or manual, and any other interesting information you might like to share.

Hope to hear from all you lucky CompuMate owners soon.

Cheers,
Steve


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#BC0100005328 (No box or manual - PAL) - Amstari
#BC0100014722 (CIB - keyboard not working) - Gorfy
#BC0100016019 (CIB - PAL - Quelle Universum) - nofrills100
#BC0100017397 (CIB - PAL - Quelle Universum) - Mister VCS
#BC0100027313 (CIB - NTSC) - Ze_ro
#BC0100027372 (CIB - NTSC) - Rolenta
#BC0100027418 (CIB - NTSC) - bennybingo
#BC0100028443 (CIB - NTSC) - nofrills100

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:48 AM

I wish someone would make/sell some copies, but nobody comes forward to do some copying. If I get an original I'd share it straight away.

I would share it too but I can completely understand why someone wouldn't want to do it, especially if they just paid a lot to get an original. If it was easy to get it might not be considered to be as valuable.



See that is exactly the stupidity I don't understand (Not meant personally). Again, my copy of the Mona Lisa devalues the original? I somehow doubt that.

Edited by high voltage, Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:49 AM.


#42 high voltage OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:51 AM

There's a selfmade text adventure available on the Compumate, but the link doesn't work, so maybe someone has it?

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 4:56 AM

I wish someone would make/sell some copies, but nobody comes forward to do some copying. If I get an original I'd share it straight away.

I would share it too but I can completely understand why someone wouldn't want to do it, especially if they just paid a lot to get an original. If it was easy to get it might not be considered to be as valuable.



See that is exactly the stupidity I don't understand (Not meant personally). Again, my copy of the Mona Lisa devalues the original? I somehow doubt that.


Just cause I'm bored.. :D

The Mona Lisa metaphor is flawed for a few reasons;
A. From the art perspective - everybody knows there is only one real Mona Lisa, and it is housed at the Louvre. No matter how many painstaking copies of it you make, it will never devalue the original (which incidentally will never be sold so it wouldn't really matter anyway).
B. If you are the Louvre, you own the copyrights to reproduce the Mona Lisa - posters, postcards, cups, plates etc... but if someone in China begins to make their own copies of posters, postcards, cups plates etc... and sells them for half the price of the Louvre's merchandise - then it devalues the Louvre's copyrights to the Mona Lisa. So unless your copy of the Mona Lisa is authentic, then it is undermining the Louvre's financial gain from the item that they own.

A picturemate cassette on the other hand, is a different story;
A. Unlike the Mona Lisa, there were multiple copies made. If you got hold of one you could easily make a copy and whack some hi quality print labels on it, get the manual printed and cut to size and - Voila! Who's to say it isn't original? Bang! there goes the R10 rarity.
B. Think of the picturemate cassette not as a one off painting, but as more of a limited edition etchiing. There are 1000 people eager to get hold of the etching - but there are only three known to exist. If one is up for auction, there will be plenty of competition. On the other hand there are photocopies of that etching now available. 900 of the 1000 people just like the look of the print, they don't feel the need to actually own the real thing so they are happy to have a photocopy. Now if one of the three is up for auction, there is less demand for the print.

I think a big part of the allure of this program, is largely because it isn't dumped. If the content were dumped, we wouldn't even be having this conversation - because everyone, with exception to the hardcore collectors, would have their 'photocopy' to keep them happy.
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#44 Pioneer4x4 OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 6:12 AM

Just cause I'm bored.. :D

The Mona Lisa metaphor is flawed for a few reasons;
A. From the art perspective - everybody knows there is only one real Mona Lisa, and it is housed at the Louvre. No matter how many painstaking copies of it you make, it will never devalue the original (which incidentally will never be sold so it wouldn't really matter anyway).
B. If you are the Louvre, you own the copyrights to reproduce the Mona Lisa - posters, postcards, cups, plates etc... but if someone in China begins to make their own copies of posters, postcards, cups plates etc... and sells them for half the price of the Louvre's merchandise - then it devalues the Louvre's copyrights to the Mona Lisa. So unless your copy of the Mona Lisa is authentic, then it is undermining the Louvre's financial gain from the item that they own.

A picturemate cassette on the other hand, is a different story;
A. Unlike the Mona Lisa, there were multiple copies made. If you got hold of one you could easily make a copy and whack some hi quality print labels on it, get the manual printed and cut to size and - Voila! Who's to say it isn't original? Bang! there goes the R10 rarity.
B. Think of the picturemate cassette not as a one off painting, but as more of a limited edition etchiing. There are 1000 people eager to get hold of the etching - but there are only three known to exist. If one is up for auction, there will be plenty of competition. On the other hand there are photocopies of that etching now available. 900 of the 1000 people just like the look of the print, they don't feel the need to actually own the real thing so they are happy to have a photocopy. Now if one of the three is up for auction, there is less demand for the print.

I think a big part of the allure of this program, is largely because it isn't dumped. If the content were dumped, we wouldn't even be having this conversation - because everyone, with exception to the hardcore collectors, would have their 'photocopy' to keep them happy.

I think you summed up several parts of collecting reproducable items quite well, with decent analogies!

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 6:16 AM

There's a selfmade text adventure available on the Compumate, but the link doesn't work, so maybe someone has it?


Are you refering to the "Quest-A" text adventure or another one? I hope it is another one it would be great to find more programs.

I am going to be programming a text adventure for the CompuMate. Due to the 1K limit it will be a multi-load game released in episodes. So that you can use the same character in each episode I'm thinking of using a simple password system that generates a password based on you characters stats (health, armour, gold, etc).

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Posted Sat Apr 2, 2011 7:14 AM

Just cause I'm bored.. :D

The Mona Lisa metaphor is flawed for a few reasons;
A. From the art perspective - everybody knows there is only one real Mona Lisa, and it is housed at the Louvre. No matter how many painstaking copies of it you make, it will never devalue the original (which incidentally will never be sold so it wouldn't really matter anyway).
B. If you are the Louvre, you own the copyrights to reproduce the Mona Lisa - posters, postcards, cups, plates etc... but if someone in China begins to make their own copies of posters, postcards, cups plates etc... and sells them for half the price of the Louvre's merchandise - then it devalues the Louvre's copyrights to the Mona Lisa. So unless your copy of the Mona Lisa is authentic, then it is undermining the Louvre's financial gain from the item that they own.

A picturemate cassette on the other hand, is a different story;
A. Unlike the Mona Lisa, there were multiple copies made. If you got hold of one you could easily make a copy and whack some hi quality print labels on it, get the manual printed and cut to size and - Voila! Who's to say it isn't original? Bang! there goes the R10 rarity.
B. Think of the picturemate cassette not as a one off painting, but as more of a limited edition etchiing. There are 1000 people eager to get hold of the etching - but there are only three known to exist. If one is up for auction, there will be plenty of competition. On the other hand there are photocopies of that etching now available. 900 of the 1000 people just like the look of the print, they don't feel the need to actually own the real thing so they are happy to have a photocopy. Now if one of the three is up for auction, there is less demand for the print.

I think a big part of the allure of this program, is largely because it isn't dumped. If the content were dumped, we wouldn't even be having this conversation - because everyone, with exception to the hardcore collectors, would have their 'photocopy' to keep them happy.

I think you summed up several parts of collecting reproducable items quite well, with decent analogies!


Because I'm never bored (my life doesn't lack excitement):

Nah I don't see it that way, but there you go.

Edited by high voltage, Sat Apr 2, 2011 7:18 AM.


#47 Compumater OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Apr 6, 2011 5:08 AM

You Can Add me to the Owners list.

Mine is BC 0100014531


By the way. I've been working on a Compumate CD for release later this year. I'm hoping for 20 programs, but may end up with a few less or a few more.

Most will be games, but some will be "productivity" programs! Yes you to can balance your budget on a compumate!


Anyway its good to finally see some interest in the Great Compumate.

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#48 Amstari OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Apr 6, 2011 5:48 AM

By the way. I've been working on a Compumate CD for release later this year. I'm hoping for 20 programs, but may end up with a few less or a few more.

Most will be games, but some will be "productivity" programs! Yes you to can balance your budget on a compumate!


Excellent news! I'm looking forward to the CD. Feel free to contact me if you need any assistance with the CD.

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Posted Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:15 AM

I finally won one from Venezuela, takes 30 days to arrive, then I'll have a serial number to give you :-)

Edited by high voltage, Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:16 AM.


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Posted Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:34 AM

Sounds great! I don't own a Compumate yet, but I'm very curious about what you're planning with these. Do you have a thread started elsewhere or a place with more info on what you'll be doing?

By the way. I've been working on a Compumate CD for release later this year. I'm hoping for 20 programs, but may end up with a few less or a few more.

Most will be games, but some will be "productivity" programs! Yes you to can balance your budget on a compumate!


Anyway its good to finally see some interest in the Great Compumate.

/s






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