tschak909 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 p.s. you couldn't MAKE me write this in BASIC. Not even with a gun to my head, hanging over a puddle of AIDS. -Thom (why? I simply can't MAKE myself make pasta-fied code that happens in BASIC, anymore.. I just can't. I have to have structure. I have to have sanity. Because I have so little of it left. I'm talking about writing a BBS for an 8-bit computer, for fuck's sake!) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 p.s. you couldn't MAKE me write this in BASIC. I'm checking out BBCS now, and I'm having the same problem you did. Does anyone else have their copy of BBCS for the 850 that they can post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) I'm checking out BBCS now, and I'm having the same problem you did. Does anyone else have their copy of BBCS for the 850 that they can post? go here - http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/software/ATARI/EIGHTBIT/ABBCS/ At this site Disk 1 A & B are flopped and it is version 2.3 for Hayes/850. One side is a non configured version to setup yourself. The other side is a sample BBS (which should be Disk 1 Side B), running straight out of the box. Disk 2 A/B are for documentation. Like others have said, I also cannot get BBCS to communicate on Altirra to Telnet. Good Luck. Edit, i'll post the ATR's anyway BBCS Version 2.3 (Hayes)(Master) D1S1.atr BBCS Version 2.3 (Hayes)(Sample Board) D1S2.atr BBCS Version 2.3 (Hayes)(Documentation) D2S1.atr BBCS Version 2.3 (Hayes)(Documentation) D2S2.atr Edited July 24, 2014 by Triads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Edit, i'll post the ATR's anyway Thank you very much sir - I believe it is working for me! I'll read through the manuals again to see what i missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I am writing some test code in cc65 to see what all I would need to actually implement. I've never used cc65 before, so I don't know what's actually available. Failing cc65, i'll try some stuff in Effectus. My immediate goal is to write something that answers the phone and spits out a message, while logging the attempt to the "Printer", and build from there. Why? CC65? Well, I write in some form of C for either work or play, and after studying CC65, and its extensive targeting, I've become most impressed with its runtime options, even going as far as being able to create cartridge images! (It would be most interesting to be able to create large 1 megabit cartridge images from cc65). I'd like to make something that could be used to what BBCS promised, a construction set for making online stuff. I have my little set of features that I want, if anybody else wants more features, they can always add to the code. I'll know more over the coming weeks, as to whether cc65 will be a good choice, or not. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Any status updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Any status updates? I just started _YESTERDAY_ Am trying to use cc65's implementation of bitfields to keep memory usage and config file usage at a minimum. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) I just started _YESTERDAY_ Am trying to use cc65's implementation of bitfields to keep memory usage and config file usage at a minimum. -Thom It was more of a generalized question, not directed to just one person I don't want this thread to disappear into oblivion.. Got a few others looking for old BBS programs tucked away, Fibrewire trying BBCS, etc.. But it is cool you are going thru with writing a new BBS. Edited July 27, 2014 by Triads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 For a memory map: Could you have the core BBS running in $0000-$3FFF, and $8000-$BFFF, leaving the 16K bank switch area for various modules? That makes switching from the message board to the email module to the online games as easy as tweaking bits in the PIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 That's something I will contemplate, when I start to have something working well enough to worry about running out of memory. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 In case anyone wants to track this project, or contribute to it, code is being dumped into github here: https://github.com/tschak909/ataribbs -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumzyman Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I wouldnt hold your breath on this, i've asked him years ago about a copy of Pro, and got the same answer "its being ported to cart form" but I was able to talk him into creating a disk of it for me, but that would have meant taking some authoring or compiling computer out of storage and didnt know how long that would take to do.. So as you can tell, I dont have a Disk from him nor a cart. You may have a better chance of asking Steve Carden for a copy of TCP/IP Express. I bought a copy of TCPIP Express from Steve. I'm surprised his package hasn't been mentioned more in this thread since it is supposedly a continuance or upgrade to BBS Express Pro. I haven't gotten my BBS up on the Internet yet but Steve is always quick to help and give advice. http://realdos.net/prodtcpip.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I started my project _because_ I tried to buy a copy from Steve, and he said the license was up in the air, and that no other copies could be sold. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Thank you very much sir - I believe it is working for me! I'll read through the manuals again to see what i missed. Did you have any luck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Did you have any luck? Yes, I'll post the results soon. I'm out of town at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yes, I'll post the results soon. I'm out of town at the moment. Still out of town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Still out of town? Im back, but sometimes real life has a way of taking over I'll have some time this weekend to get it going again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeander Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hello I am William I not only ran BBCS I rewrote it making it stable Unfortunately all of my changes Were at Compuserve Atari 8 bit Forum posts I ran the Atari Hotel BBCS (Atascii) Graphical BBS for Atari users only The Other Side was text based ASCII login Rather than list all of the changes in equipment Over the course of operation I will describe its final Setup Atari 800 xl with 1 meg memory mod Runtime 8 cartridge 1 meg ICD MIO 2 Atari 1050 dual density drives (not double) 4 Hard drive locations only 2 physical A hard drive controller I think it was a something 4000 A Supra modem 2400 baud Now the good stuff A custom built interface that connected 2 Atari computer joysticks together Custom drivers for Host and slave imbedded in Antic routine We had myself and Richard in another house with slave connected to Host of BBCS In total we had 2 users by modem connection and 2 locals myself and Richard or 4 users online at same time The Hotel opened with a short walk up to the desk Here anyone could check their messages If you turned right and went down the hall you came To the bar the chat center From the desk if you turned left you came to an elevator Each Floor button 1-4 was a separate Hard drive for files listings And then I added the roof where you would board the space shuttle and thru a series of choices pilot it into orbit The rewrite process and results posted at Compuserve did 2 things at that time Ended a lawsuit over BBCS and its 13 failed attempts to make it stable And got me promoted to Forum Admin for Compuserve If you are trying to use "stock" versions of BBCS I can tell you this You find all kinds of typos in it (those were my first corrections) The system will not stay running I had to dump all hexadecimal values from the floppies to paper for each module Translate the hexadecimal on the paper and the edit Retranslate back to disk data form hexadecimal Write each change as changes to the source For typos it was not much work But for the final stable version of BBCS Without my posts at Compuserve I believe At this time it is pointless to even try to fix it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNIXcoffee928 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 In case anyone wants to track this project, or contribute to it, code is being dumped into github here: https://github.com/tschak909/ataribbs -Thom That is some very nice looking, well thought out, & well formatted code, Thom. Thank you for doing this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Thank you. I will get back to it at some point, other projects and life are up in the queue. When I do get back to it, there will be a major change in how the BBS is run, namely, that the entire thing will be broken up into seperate executables, each running along a common backbone (batch file perhaps), sending and receiving appropriate exit codes as needed. Mostly, this is so I can keep the code manageable without needing to break into needing to use extended RAM (except absolutely where it will make sense, e.g. in the message editor). If I do use a batch file as the spine, that will be fast enough, because BB65 _requires_ a hard disk, or rather, fast devices with 65535 sectors. All doable in the setup that I have. Trying to make a BBS that runs on floppies is completely and utterly pointless, in this day and age. Also of course, once the BBS is functioning, the usual optimizations (B+ index trees for the messaging, for example), basic computer science stuff... -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) NecroBump! This thread is about BBCS, isn't it? Has anyone got the MEDITE.COM configuration editor to work with SDX? Keyboard locks up every time. I want to see if there's a baud rate setting in there that I can set @ 9600. Also, tschak909, is there an executable (installable) version of your BBS anywhere? All I found is the source on GitHub. Edited January 26, 2017 by Kyle22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 No, there isn't. I've abandoned BB65 for a much more inclusive and flexible design based in Erlang to run on modern hardware. (But with the explicit purpose to expose multiple telnet ports for varying bits of vintage hardware, each providing a tailored view for the given computer, Atari, Commodore, Apple, modern computers, web clients, etc.) and the ability to support millions of simultaneous users. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 really was interested in this, and for it to run on the Atari once again.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 really was interested in this, and for it to run on the Atari once again.... Yes, that's exactly what I want to do. Everything I try seems to be written in rather cryptic BASIC code, or have M/L modem routines that won't do 9600. Many of them are hard coded for specific drives and don't like sub-directories. I just want one that works with SDX so I can have it in D:\BBS or anywhere. Something that uses whatever R: handler that's installed. Also, it should take the time and date from SDX directly or use Z: I know of none like that so I guess I'll hack around and try to make something work. I hope I can make it work in TBXL so I can compile it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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