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[thgill]

This is the preorder thread for the Jaguar A/V + RGB cables I am building.












I am offering 2 versions of the cable.


Deluxe: Pictured as above. RGB output via DB9, Female connectors for Composite, S-video and Stereo audio. - $36

Basic: Same thing without RGB. Just Composite, S-video and Stereo Audio - $22

If you need a DB9 to HD15 adapter, I will build one of those for you for $8.

I want to stress that the DB9 to HD15 adapter does NOT make your Jaguar magically work with a VGA monitor! THIS IS NOT A VGA SOLUTION!!


Its for HD15 to 4 BNC connectors cables for Sony PVM style monitors. NOT VGA!!

I think there some has been some confusion on this point. Just want to make this crystal clear.




Shipping is a flat $6 for Priority mail with Delivery confirmation. Several units can fit in one box to save on shipping.


I will build no more than a total of 25 cables. Any mixture of Basic and Deluxe. I will need to take preorders and receive payments on them first and then once all the orders are in I can order parts and start assembling them. I don't want to build some 20 odd cables and then find that no one wants them. That's why I want them payed for ahead of time.

Preorders starts today and runs through December 2nd. So two weeks total OR until all 25 preorders are filled. Keep this in mind. Once 25 cables are ordered, the preorder period stops. I imagine I can have all 25 cables built and shipped in time for christmas. Overseas orders (if there are any) will vary on shipping expenses and delivery time.





--------------- Cable Details --------------------




These adapters are wired for composite sync so you can use a HD15 to 4 BNC cable for monitors like Sony PVM if you elect to get a cable with RGB output. You can also easily build a cable to use it with a common Commodore 1084 monitor or any other standard 15KHz composite sync RGB monitor.


I can't stress this enough that these are for composite sync monitors. If your RGB monitor requires 5 BNC connectors, than this RGB cable will not work for you as the Jag doesn't natively output vertical sync. Just composite and Horizontal Sync.


Also, the pinout of the RGB DB9 for those that might want to build their own cables:






Also notice that the A/V jacks are female so you can plug in your own composite or S-video and audio cables. No more trying to figure out how to get a single 6 foot cable to reach to the back of your TV or monitor and also around to a separate audio system. With my design you can use cable length and cable quality that suits your needs.

I borrowed the idea for the housing around the 24 pin connector from http://www.oldschool...-school-junkie/. As far as I know he has never sold his cables due to manufacturing expenses. There are no good options to house a 24 pin connector so some home brew is needed. Later on I will probably put up my photos of whats underneath the thick heat shrink.









---------------------- Pre-Order list --------------------------------


14 Cables spoken for, 11 remaining


1. NML32 - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
2. KevinMos3 - Basic cable - Paid
3. syntexerror - Deluxe cable - Payment pending
4. DarkLord - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
5. JagMod - Deluxe cable - Paid
6. Allpaul - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
7. TheRamboXT - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
8. 10p6 - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
9. Gandor - Basic cable - Paid
10. killersquirel - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
11. Bill Loguidice - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
12. Serblander - Deluxe cable + adapter - Paid
13. Serblander - Basic Cable - Paid
14. SuperSparky - Deluxe Cable - Paid
15. SuperSparky - Deluxe Cable - Paid




Please post in this thread with your interest and PM when you are ready to order. Remember, 25 cables total or two weeks. Which ever comes first and then the payment and preorder window is closed.

I accept Paypal only.

Edited by thgill, Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:27 AM.

[NML32]

PM sent.

Put me down for a Deluxe model.  

They look very nice, great job.

Thanks,
Mark

[Austin]

I'll have to see how fast these things go and look over my finances come payday. I wouldn't mind having a S-Video cable.

[thgill]

I forgot to mention it and for some reason I can't edit the first post now, but I will also be selling DB9 to HD15 adapters. They will be $8 each.


These adapters are wired for composite sync so you can use a HD15 to 4 BNC cable for monitors like Sony PVM.

I can't stress this enough that these are for composite sync monitors. If your RGB monitor requires 5 BNC connectors, than
this RGB cable will not work for you as the Jag doesn't natively output vertical sync. Just composite and Horizontal Sync.




Also, the pinout of the RGB DB9 for those that might want to build their own cables:

[NML32]

Yup I'll need the DB9 to HD15 adapter.  

[thgill]

One sold so far to NML32.

24 spots left!


Can a mod check and see why I can't edit my first post anymore? Would be nice to be able to put this extra info in the first port.

[KevinMos3]

Can you give more explanation or examples as to how the DB9 RGB might be useful?

[Allpaul]

I'll take a deluxe cable...

[thgill]

KevinMos3, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:13 PM, said:

Can you give more explanation or examples as to how the DB9 RGB might be useful?

Sure.

For example if you have an RGB monitor like a Commodore 1084 or a broadcast style monitor like a Sony PVM, you can then simply build or buy an appropriate cable and then enjoy the very best video quality that the Jaguar has to offer.

Allpaul, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:18 PM, said:

I'll take a deluxe cable...

Send me a PM when you are ready.

Edited by thgill, Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:23 PM.

[KevinMos3]

thgill, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:22 PM, said:

KevinMos3, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:13 PM, said:

Can you give more explanation or examples as to how the DB9 RGB might be useful?

Sure.

For example if you have an RGB monitor like a Commodore 1084 or a broadcast style monitor like a Sony PVM, you can then simply build or buy an appropriate cable and then enjoy the very best video quality that the Jaguar has to offer.

It's been a very long time since I've messed with my ST, so this may sound like a stupid question, but a color ST monitor does not fall into this category does it?

Also, I found this site for how to build a VGA to RGB cable:
http://www.raphnet.n...on-green_en.php

[thgill]

KevinMos3, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:44 PM, said:

thgill, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:22 PM, said:

KevinMos3, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:13 PM, said:

Can you give more explanation or examples as to how the DB9 RGB might be useful?

Sure.

For example if you have an RGB monitor like a Commodore 1084 or a broadcast style monitor like a Sony PVM, you can then simply build or buy an appropriate cable and then enjoy the very best video quality that the Jaguar has to offer.

It's been a very long time since I've messed with my ST, so this may sound like a stupid question, but a color ST monitor does not fall into this category does it?

Also, I found this site for how to build a VGA to RGB cable:
http://www.raphnet.n...on-green_en.php

You would be able to use most ST monitors with it. Except the Goldstar version. It requires Horizonatal + Vertical Syncs which isn't present on the Jag 24 pin connector. You might have some difficulty though finding suitable 13 pin din female connectors to make an adapter to plug into the ST's monitor cable. I was going to offer then however I had trouble sourcing them.


That sync on green website isn't going to help you any. You can't use this with pretty much any regular VGA monitors. Some older models might work, however they are few and very far between.

Something like a Commodore RGB monitor or a Sony PVM (not all of them have RGB) is your best bet. Of use it to interface with an RGB to component video converter.

[Bill Loguidice]

I would like a deluxe, please.

[thgill]

Couple things folks:


1. The pre-order/prepay period runs through midnight Friday December 2nd or until I have received payment for 25 cables...whichever comes first.

2. After all the payments are in, I can order parts and begin assembly.

3. You will have your cable around mid Dec.

4. I accept Paypal only to help with order tracking.

5. I need payment up front before ordering parts to know for sure how many I need to build and which version. I don't want to build 20 some cables only to find their is no interest in them. Hence prepay.


If you want to order and submit your payment for the cable, please indicate so in this thread and then follow up with a PM to me indicating which cable you want and if you need the DB to HD15 adapter.


i will keep this thread updated as to how many cables have been sold and to who so that everyone is in the loop.

Edited by thgill, Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:25 PM.

[Punisher5.0]

thgill, on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:55 AM, said:

Can a mod check and see why I can't edit my first post anymore? Would be nice to be able to put this extra info in the first port.

You can edit your first post now. There is a time limit where you can edit a post. This was implemented because several members abused this ability.

BTW, nice looking cables

[thgill]

Awesome.

Thanks!



First post updated with cable clarifications, order and payment details and other info from this thread. Also added an order list showing you who has ordered what.

Edited by thgill, Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:28 PM.

[Zerosquare]

Are you interested in adding support for monitors that require separate H & V sync? I could look into it if you like.

[thgill]

I don't think so. I looked into it as well and I just don't think it would be worth it since most people are using the RGB out for csync monitors.

I have had several folks indicate they plan to hook it up to Sony PVM monitors and similar so besides trying to support the Goldstar version of the SC1224, there probably isn't going to be enough demand to support adding it.

Plus some want to interface it with a component YUV video scaler, so I don't think H+V would add much value.


Thanks for the offer though.

[DarkLord]

I'll take 1 deluxe cable plus the adaptor.

So where do I paypal too?

[Serblander]

thgill, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 PM, said:

These adapters are wired for composite sync so you can use a HD15 to 4 BNC cable for monitors like Sony PVM if you elect to get a cable with RGB output. You can also easily build a cable to use it with a common Commodore 1084 monitor or any other standard 15KHz composite sync RGB monitor.

Hi, i just want to clarify if these will work 'AS-IS' with Commodore 1084S monitors?

I already own several Catbox's/ScatBox's as well as original Jag S-Vid & Composite cables, so i am ONLY looking at these in order to connect to my Commodore 1084 monitors.

Speaking of which, the 9Pin connector is female but you'd need a male in order to hook up to the monitors - any chance to have a male RGB end instead?

thgill, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 PM, said:

If you need a DB9 to HD15 adapter, I will build one of those for you for $8.

Sorry, but can you please elaborate on what this will do?

Cheers and good luck with the orders!

[thgill]

Serblander, on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:38 AM, said:

thgill, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 PM, said:

These adapters are wired for composite sync so you can use a HD15 to 4 BNC cable for monitors like Sony PVM if you elect to get a cable with RGB output. You can also easily build a cable to use it with a common Commodore 1084 monitor or any other standard 15KHz composite sync RGB monitor.

Hi, i just want to clarify if these will work 'AS-IS' with Commodore 1084S monitors?

I already own several Catbox's/ScatBox's as well as original Jag S-Vid & Composite cables, so i am ONLY looking at these in order to connect to my Commodore 1084 monitors.

Speaking of which, the 9Pin connector is female but you'd need a male in order to hook up to the monitors - any chance to have a male RGB end instead?

Since the cable is only 4 or 5 inchs long, you will need to build your own cable from the DB9 to whichever connector is on the back of your 1084 since they shipped with a couple different connectors.

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thgill, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 PM, said:

If you need a DB9 to HD15 adapter, I will build one of those for you for $8.

Sorry, but can you please elaborate on what this will do?

Cheers and good luck with the orders!

Some people use BNC cables to connect to their RGB monitor (Sony PVM series use this) and most BNC cables have a Male HD15 connector on their end to be plugged into the the device. So the adapter just changes the DB9 to HD15 for those kind of cables.

[Serblander]

Considering i can't make my onw cables for sh*t, i think i will have to pass

[grimm]

Hello. Newbie warning here, but with the 15 pin adaptor, would this work with my LG HDTV? It has a dedicated 15 pin RGB male connector. Im sorry but im not famiiar with the "sync" information. Since i live in Sweden, i do know the TV is RGB and capable of recieving 60hz, but this sync-stuff is greek to me. I would be interested in the deluxe cable and adaptor, if you can tell me it will work with my tv. The reason id want this cable is to have one less ScartRgb-cable to deal with.

[thgill]

grimm, on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:36 AM, said:

Hello. Newbie warning here, but with the 15 pin adaptor, would this work with my LG HDTV? It has a dedicated 15 pin RGB male connector. Im sorry but im not famiiar with the "sync" information. Since i live in Sweden, i do know the TV is RGB and capable of recieving 60hz, but this sync-stuff is greek to me. I would be interested in the deluxe cable and adaptor, if you can tell me it will work with my tv. The reason id want this cable is to have one less ScartRgb-cable to deal with.

Most likely won't work for you. That input is a VGA connector.


You need to check the manual/documentation for your TV to see if that VGA input is capable of 15KHz input. Most likely its not.


If you have RGB scart available to you, thats probably the best option anyways.

[grimm]

thgill, on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:43 AM, said:

grimm, on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:36 AM, said:

Hello. Newbie warning here, but with the 15 pin adaptor, would this work with my LG HDTV? It has a dedicated 15 pin RGB male connector. Im sorry but im not famiiar with the "sync" information. Since i live in Sweden, i do know the TV is RGB and capable of recieving 60hz, but this sync-stuff is greek to me. I would be interested in the deluxe cable and adaptor, if you can tell me it will work with my tv. The reason id want this cable is to have one less ScartRgb-cable to deal with.

Most likely won't work for you. That input is a VGA connector.


You need to check the manual/documentation for your TV to see if that VGA input is capable of 15KHz input. Most likely its not.


If you have RGB scart available to you, thats probably the best option anyways.

Ill check the manual to confirm, but it does say "RGB In (PC)" over the connector, and it is labeled as RGB in the menu settings.

[thgill]

Most of the HDTV's sold these days have VGA inputs labeled as 'RGB'. While it is true, we need it to be able to sync to 15KHz which most don't over VGA. I have 2 HDTVs that both have 'RGB' inputs and neither accept 15KHz input. Only 30/31KHz.



But yeah, check your manual to confirm.

Edited by thgill, Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:50 AM.