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#1 uglyclone OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:35 PM

So a buddy of mine got her husband a famicom recently and strangely there were a few things about the system that screamed "i'm a knock-off" system.
The second controller does not have a microphone, and the system has audio and video ports on the back. Other than that I don't see any differences between the system and your normal everyday Nintendo brand famicom. The front label matches up and says "family computer" and "Nintendo" where as other knock-off pirate systems I've seen pictures of seem to alter the text. Also the box looks to be a match of pictures I've seen of the Nintendo Famicom box. I'm not entirely knowledgeable on the Famicom so if somebody could school me I would be very pleased! check out the links for the photos:
http://i1110.photobu...02-09182841.jpg
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http://i1110.photobu...02-09183001.jpg
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#2 Eltigro OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:35 PM

I'm no expert either, but I was under the impression that only one controller had a microphone to begin with. I'd have to research more. Don't have one but wish I did, it'd be a cool addition to the collection.

#3 Osbo OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:00 PM

It seem like the real deal to me.

#4 Seob OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:43 AM

i'm sure it is the real deal. The famicom had only one controller with mic. Look at these pictures of a disassembled famicom it;s the same as you're famicom.
http://www.ifixit.co...Teardown/3199/1

#5 uglyclone OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:24 AM

Thanks for the link Seob! I think I'm feeling even stronger that something isn't matching up with this being a famicom.
In the teardown photos the back of the console shows a TV/GAME switch and a CH1/CH2 switch. Both are missing from this console and in it's place are the audio and video ports. Also the site's pictures of the controllers don't match up as controller II has a volume slide and a microphone where as this one has neither and instead includes turbo switches on controller II. Finally it just struck me that the label on the front of the console is in fact different as it is missing the logo on the far left. (looks like an "ff" on the teardown photos)

#6 Seob OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:31 AM

Thanks for the link Seob! I think I'm feeling even stronger that something isn't matching up with this being a famicom. In the teardown photos the back of the console shows a TV/GAME switch and a CH1/CH2 switch. Both are missing from this console and in it's place are the audio and video ports. Also the site's pictures of the controllers don't match up as controller II has a volume slide and a microphone where as this one has neither and instead includes turbo switches on controller II. Finally it just struck me that the label on the front of the console is in fact different as it is missing the logo on the far left. (looks like an "ff" on the teardown photos)

guess you're right. Look at the pictures http://famicom-ner38...01_archive.html there more versions that come close to you're version. Only the controllers aren't the same.

#7 Satoshi Matrix OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:25 PM

Hi, I'm Satoshi Matrix, staff member of Famicom World. What you have there is a Famicom HVC-001 box and manual, but the system itself is a Famiclone. It probbaly dates from around 1989. Open it up and chances are that's a entire discrete harcare clone, cloning each part sepertely. There's even a good chance the cloned PPU and CPU are socketed. If so, you can actually buy a REAL NES/Famicom PPU and CPU and just slot them in there. If you do, you'll essentically turn that clone into a real functional Famicom that's 100% compatable with all games!

#8 salzmafia.com OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:01 PM

Hi, I'm Satoshi Matrix, staff member of Famicom World. What you have there is a Famicom HVC-001 box and manual, but the system itself is a Famiclone. It probbaly dates from around 1989. Open it up and chances are that's a entire discrete harcare clone, cloning each part sepertely. There's even a good chance the cloned PPU and CPU are socketed. If so, you can actually buy a REAL NES/Famicom PPU and CPU and just slot them in there. If you do, you'll essentically turn that clone into a real functional Famicom that's 100% compatable with all games!


Satoshi Matrix, this is actually my system, so now you've got me curious. If the box and manual are real, does that mean that there is an HVC-001 with turbo switches on the 2nd controller (as shown on the box)? Also, the manual is missing the "double f" on the top left, and the "TM". I've scoured everywhere on the internet and have yet to find a single picture that matches this one exactly. If I do open it, would there be any indication of where this clone originated from?

#9 Satoshi Matrix OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM

Ah my bad actually. that box is a near perfect replica with added turbo controls and the removal of the player 2 mic., even down to the Nintendo logo! most clones at leave had the decancy to remember the nintendo logo. Not these shameful guys apparently! That manual is even more of a 1:1 copy, even going as far as to just leave the stock photo of the HVC001 completely intact. Even so, it's a replica and not anything Nintendo printed.

So let me make it clear: what you have there is a CLONE. There is no such offical Nintendo made HVC-001 that has turbo fire switches.

Once you open it up, check to see what the PPU and CPU have written on them. There isn't a definitive answer, but that's most likely to tell you if it came from Hong Kong or South Korea. It's doubtful it came from Japan as they had much stricter piracy laws even back then.

When you open it, lets see some pics!

#10 salzmafia.com OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:11 PM

Pic of the board.
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#11 Satoshi Matrix OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM

Please take a few more shots - I can't tell from a top down view if the PPU and CPU are socketed, and I also can't see the daughterboard or the power switch.

#12 Ace_1 OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:24 AM

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Those chips are socketed, all right(and it looks like the RAM at location U1 is socketed, too). Now get yourself a real Ricoh 2A03 and 2C02 and turn that thing into a proper Famicom with built-in turbo controllers.

#13 Satoshi Matrix OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:55 AM

Yeah exactly. You can buy fully desoldered, ready to use NES CPU and PPU chips. To turn it into a real Famicom, you'll definitely need a replacement CPU, but the clone PPU does a very good job on its own. I did this before for one of my deceit clones. You can get them at arcadecomponents.com when they have them in stock, which is most of the time.

CPU
http://www.arcadecom...735/2583124.htm

PPU
http://www.arcadecom...735/2583135.htm




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