+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Here's first cut of an alt character set. Only standard characters have been altered here so far. I'll be looking into the special characters next. I wonder if there's a way I can get output of all standard Plato terminal characters used in the real thing? That way I can make a full comparison. [Edit: baud rate display fixed to reflect actual speed of 2400] Learning Phone (2400 baud, alt character set).rom They talk about using a few of the special characters in the Learning Phone manual, but there are other characters I'm not sure how to produce -- including some standard characters (although some are only standard on a PC keyboard) including: - curly braces (left can be produced with tilde) - vertical bar - ampersand - caret - tilde - backslash - at BTW, all aspects for the video mode can be changed, including zoomed mode. So it's possible to match both views (info on page 29 of the manual): Normal Zoomed Edited February 9, 2018 by MrFish 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Well, I discovered PLATO Golf is difficult to play . The Learning Phone's display is not square and in Golf I'm supposed to guestimate an angle at which to hit the ball. I know the viewport is squeezed down from original image's square image to a roughly 4:3 but I can't seem to make myself make a correction in the game. Zoom does not work for this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) You need the PLATO keyboard page: Go to lesson 'info'. Press DATA enter the word keyboard when it asks for a feature. You can also use the lesson 'diag' which has a host of features such as showing keys, etc. You will find the standard character set, of interest. -Thom Edited February 9, 2018 by tschak909 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I patched the ROM image for 2400 baud but the "1200 baud" message was annoying me. Here's a patch of the patch of the patch. TLP-2400b.bin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I patched the ROM image for 2400 baud but the "1200 baud" message was annoying me. Here's a patch of the patch of the patch. Good idea; I was gonna do that myself too. I'll change the ROM I posted above to show the correct baud rate too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 you guys might also want to check out game 'spasim' also, mrfish, how did you change the colors for the text and background luminance? -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Also btw, awesome font changes! -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Probably some other things that should be done with the ROM: - set local echo to "off" by default - set full and zoomed views to the same color scheme (and preferably something other than that sick green) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 you guys might also want to check out game 'spasim' also, mrfish, how did you change the colors for the text and background luminance? -Thom yeah! I've been wanting light text on dark background as well but didn't know how to achieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Completely agreed, I will be compiling all these little patches together, and helping 16kram with the disassembly, so we can have: (1) a canonical disassembly that we can customize and maybe eventually (2) a customizer program that can alter boot-up features. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Ok if you didn't, we'll just need to change the value in the ROM, one of us will find it. Look for writes to the color registers. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) you guys might also want to check out game 'spasim' I will, thanks. also, mrfish, how did you change the colors for the text and background luminance? Page 29 of the manual. the <Select> key can be set to change each aspect. Also btw, awesome font changes! Thanks. Hard constraints to work with, 6 x 4... Edited February 9, 2018 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Ok if you didn't, we'll just need to change the value in the ROM, one of us will find it. Look for writes to the color registers. I know how to do it, I just don't have time today. [Edit: Never mind, I thought you were talking to me, but you were talking to a8isa1.] Just making a public note of the idea. Edited February 9, 2018 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Here's how to change all the colors: The <SELECT> key is in color-changing mode by default. To change the mode of what <SELECT> will alter, use the follow key combos first: <OPTION> + B = luminance for background <OPTION> + T = luminance for text <OPTION> + C = color Edited February 9, 2018 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Probably some other things that should be done with the ROM: - set local echo to "off" by default - set full and zoomed views to the same color scheme (and preferably something other than that sick green) I would never even consider altering an original cartridge. Didn't think there might have been production carts until Gozar posted an image. All the images I had seen in the past had white paper labels. Perhaps one had a hand written label. However, for usage in Altirra and "working copies" of carts I'd probably dump the fallback message of "Microbit 300 baud" for "no serial interface" or something to that effect. Edited February 9, 2018 by a8isa1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I would never even consider altering an original cartridge. However, for usage in Altirra and "working copies" of carts I'd probably dump the fallback message of "Microbit 300 baud" for "no serial interface" or something to that effect. That's what I was talking about (the ROM image), although I guess people will do whatever they want with them. Didn't think there might have been production carts until Gozar posted an image. All the images I had seen in the past had white paper labels. Check out the cart and box scans here: Learning Phone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 A screencast of spasim from its author: -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Probably some other things that should be done with the ROM: - set local echo to "off" by default - set full and zoomed views to the same color scheme (and preferably something other than that sick green) my zoom is blue... my start screen is orange on a real Atari what are you seeing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 am guessing he's probably running in PAL, which would account for the color shift. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Is there a way to change what group you belong to on Plato? I signed up back in 2014 and I'm in the group "pioneer", but I'd like to change to the new atari group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 my zoom is blue... my start screen is orange on a real Atari what are you seeing? My zoom defaults to the standard Atari blue, but I get this in condensed mode by default. I'm using Altirra and the "Authentic NTSC" palette. I can't test on real hardware until there's a binary available. Has anyone tried to convert the cart to a binary file yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) perhaps the color change should be a preset that one can select rather than a default. while you can do it by hand... since it is a rom.. oh my that's horrid, this kind of thing happens because of out of adjustment and incorrect ntsc standard replication through the ages.... Most coders have no idea what golden rod is, that's a color you have to get right to adjust the Atari properly. And then you get into the tint adjust of the crt etc etc etc... Try a different palette ..... Okay, my Altirra looks as horrid as yours... blech... Edited February 9, 2018 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 My zoom defaults to the standard Atari blue, but I get this in condensed mode by default. I'm using Altirra and the "Authentic NTSC" palette. I can't test on real hardware until there's a binary available. Has anyone tried to convert the cart to a binary file yet? hocker.png I lol'd -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Is there a way to change what group you belong to on Plato? I signed up back in 2014 and I'm in the group "pioneer", but I'd like to change to the new atari group. Leave a note in psonotes asking. If nobody replies within 24 hours, send a note to request. (I know psonotes is where this is supposed to go, but don't know if cyber1 checks that notefile) -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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