venom4728a Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Looks awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 A list of features and possible incompatibilities would be nice to know. I think that many of us aren't that familiar with the Karin Maxi and it may attract more people if the possibilities are known. Things like: How many mechanics can be used/connected simultaneously (2?) What formats does it support? Is there support for custom formats, like ways to read/write PC/Atari ST FAT12 formats? Can a disk created on a stock XF551 be read and written when used with the Karin Maxi? What about 1050 enhanced compatibility? Can it share the PBI with a MIO and/or Black Box? Stuff like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Also, is it ATR-8000 floppy compatible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender II Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 PCB will be available after the party "Grzybsoniada". "Slight Sid" more info here: http://www.atari.org...=148537#p148537 I would like 1 PCB or completed. Can you put me on the list for the SID cart too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholy Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm not affiliated with this project, but I am somewhat familiar with the original (ca. 1995?) KMM. Assuming the basic features of the original design have been retained, the interface supports up to two drives (5.25" 360KB, 5.25" 720KB, or 3.5" 720KB in any combination). It reads and writes single, enhanced, and double density disks. It plays nice with SIO drives; in case of duplicate device numbers, the KMM takes precedence (corresponding SIO drive becomes "invisible" to the OS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 How many mechanics can be used/connected simultaneously (2?)What formats does it support? Is there support for custom formats' date=' like ways to read/write PC/Atari ST FAT12 formats? Can a disk created on a stock XF551 be read and written when used with the Karin Maxi? What about 1050 enhanced compatibility? Can it share the PBI with a MIO and/or Black Box? [/quote'] I supports two drives, either 3.5 or 5,25 or mixed. Current firmware does not support 512BPS formats, but it will do in the near future (since SDX handles them ). I am currently working on a new firmware with some enhancements. XF551 360kB format is not compatible with Karin's due to different layout of the second side. It writes a track on the first side, then the next track on the second side (I think for performance reasons). XF first writes all data on side 1, then goes to side 2. 1050 ED is fine, as well as SD in FM. A hardware/software fix has been made during development of the Stryker's PCB that allows to use different PBI devices with Karin (it was not possible eariler). We have tested this with IDE+, IDEa, SIDE, but not with MIO or BlackBox. Screen gets messed during Karin I/O operations because Antic is turned off not to skip the data which is provided by WD1772 (floppy controller). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Screen gets messed during Karin I/O operations because Antic is turned off not to skip the data which is provided by WD1772 (floppy controller). Ah - always wondered why that was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I want one. Who do i pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St(r)yker Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 You pay me. In the next month topic creation of pre-order. There will be four options. 1) PCB 2) The assembled PCB without WD 3) The assembled PCB 4) The assembled PCB + case Z-28 (for some people). And hard to find parts: - WD1772 - 16V8 - eprom Prices will know in a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Interested in a sid cart, and possibly a Karin, depending on the cost of a fully built one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Can it share the PBI with a MIO and/or Black Box? I forgot to mention that Karin has PBI ID number fixed to 7 ($80), so the other devices should be set differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Karin has PBI ID number fixed to 7 ($80) Then it's more than likely the 2 won't cooperate as the Black Box isn't exactly playing nice on the PBI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 AFAIK BlackBox will not cooperate with anything else on the parallel bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Hello guys It should be possible to share the bus when using a BlackBox. It'll still not playing nice on the PBI, but at least you can share the bus. You shouldn't need too many parts for this. Unfortunately, I only heard it from a couple of guys, so I can't tell you more then this. Parts shouldn't cost more then 50 cents. One of those guys was one of the two people that developed the MSC-IDE interface and the other one is Dutch hardware developer who also was the president of the Dutch Atari User Group for a couple of years. When I talked to Bob Puff about this, he told me it should be possible. Only problem could be, that some software he wrote, somewhere in their code, would use more ID numbers (IIRC, might have been something else, like bits or something) then the stuff he thought he'ld used. (This telephone conversation as a couple of years ago and the stuff the other guys told me I heard years before that. So I might be wrong on some of the details.) Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Looking at the mess of stuff hanging off the poor xe in those videos makes me wish that the 1090 made it to production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) The blackbox is not a "PBI compliant" device at all.. and without a firmware rewrite, you are dreaming if you think it will work with other PBI devices, Mathy. The MIO ***MAY*** work ok with it, since it only "occupies" a few BUS IDs, of which #7 is not one of them... (But I seriously doubt it without firmware tweaking). You have to remember that both the MIO and the BlackBox were made in a time when hardware was extremely expensive and both were envisioned to be the ONLY device youd ever need plugged into the PBI bus.. Does anyone know What PBI bus ID is the IDE+ 2.0 set to? Edited April 21, 2012 by MEtalGuy66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Think it's "0" zero, as I rember the parallel floppy in the 1450 use Zero too, which is why I have a conflict with both... Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 IDE+ has the ID set to 0 (although it was 7 in some prototypes). There is no dipswitch, but it can be changed, if needed, by soldering the setting resistor to a different position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Do you have a link any docs on that? Id like to mod mine so that it can be changed, if possible, for testing purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) There is a group of solder pads on the IDE+ PCB in the corner near ECI and ATA connectors (Photo). A small resistor connects the rigthmost pair of the pads (for ID 0). You can move the resistor to any of the 8 pairs of pads defining the device ID. Edited April 22, 2012 by trub 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 There is a group of solder pads on the IDE+ PCB in the corner near ECI and ATA connectors (Photo). A small resistor connects the rigthmost pair of the pads (for ID 0). You can move the resistor to any of the 8 pairs of pads defining the device ID. Great to know - thanks for the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npturton Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Dont know what the Maxi Karin or Sic do, please advise Im always interested in new Atari gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St(r)yker Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Trub added menu and support 512 ..... Draco wrote a driver for the sdx and you can read floppy disks from the PC and Atari ST ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npturton Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 looks very nice is this for controlling floppies only ? Id certainly be interested Do you have any info on the Sic Cart as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookt Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I'll be interested depending on final prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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