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#1 MrBland OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 4:56 AM

It looks like B&C Computing Visions is selling off the last of their Daemon's gate carts on ebay for 35 bucks. Two left if you want one.

...... maybe I misinterpreted I just noticed several of the proto's for sale listed as only three left, he isn't going to stop producing them is he?

Edited by MrBland, Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:06 AM.


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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:16 AM

I'm not even sure that site wants to sell anything. Their price list that mentions Demons Gate says:
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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 8:29 AM

Maybe that is the last of that stock then....

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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 12:55 PM

Ive tried the rom image on handy and it seems ok but not worth the money imo. Some of these prototypes for sale annoy me. The authors get none of the proceeds and they cost about 5 to make, yet they sell for 30 to 50.

Its easy to overlook it saying it benefits the scene and collectors, that being the case why arent they selling them at reasonable prices? Because it easy to sell some buggy protype that they are effectively illegally copying, that cost very little to make and make good profits by 'controlling the market' with very few releases.

That said i still want EOTB, but if a rom image was released to the scene I wouldnt need to be buying a knocked off EPROM from EBAY. Which is what should have happened rather than the 'lets limit release of this illegall image' and make people pay big bucks for it - hence the 100 one I couldnt afford on ebay the other week... I respect what eric has done regards his 'proper release', but that said I am suprised the ROM hasnt been uploaded for all. I would still buy erics version even if rom was released. The same holds true of relief pitcher, ive seen a knock off of that already (Not the ver someone did a batch of on here), and again the rom is kept under control of the few so prices remain high.

I realise there are some 'original' of these protypes knocking about but 95% of the ones ive seen have very likely been produced by people wanting to cash in on the collector market.

Thankfully Daemongate ROM is In the public domain, which is where a few others should be...

Edited by GadgetUK, Fri Jul 6, 2012 1:00 PM.


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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 1:59 PM

Well I can't speak for legal or illegal; I thought I read somewhere that B & C ComputerVisions had permission from Atari to do what they (it is him and his wife right ?) wanted with what ever he came across in the stuff he aquired from them. Personally I like being able to obtain peices of Atari history that I can run on the original equipment. Since I can't create the carts myself I'm willing to pay someone else a premium to do it for me. As far as them making a buck or two off it.... more power to them. Maybe they can make enough of a living to continue to support the Atari community.

That being said, I do dislike "knockoffs". When hard to get releases are cheaply redone, without proper permission, in an effort to cash in.

Edited by MrBland, Fri Jul 6, 2012 2:09 PM.


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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 2:27 PM

Well I can't speak for legal or illegal; I thought I read somewhere that B & C ComputerVisions had permission from Atari to do what they (it is him and his wife right ?) wanted with what ever he came across in the stuff he aquired from them. Personally I like being able to obtain peices of Atari history that I can run on the original equipment. Since I can't create the carts myself I'm willing to pay someone else a premium to do it for me. As far as them making a buck or two off it.... more power to them. Maybe they can make enough of a living to continue to support the Atari community.

That being said, I do dislike "knockoffs". When hard to get releases are cheaply redone, without proper permission, in an effort to cash in.


Lol, if i hear that story about how 2 or 3 companies bought all the stock and apparently rights to reproduce material that they didnt actually own one more time (I might sell it =) )...

Copyright doesnt work that way, neither does licensing. They have become a law unto themselves.

Edited by GadgetUK, Fri Jul 6, 2012 2:47 PM.


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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 3:46 PM

Well I'm not very knowledgeable in the area of copyright and licensing so can't comment much on that; but I have been reading about Atari cracking down on people who are infringing on their intellectual property rights. So if B & C aren't on the up and up I'm sure they will be hearing from Atari. In the mean time I really appreciate the support they have given to the Atari community; one of only a handful of reliable companies Atari enthusiast can turn to.

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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 4:02 PM

Well I can't speak for legal or illegal; I thought I read somewhere that B & C ComputerVisions had permission from Atari to do what they (it is him and his wife right ?) wanted with what ever he came across in the stuff he aquired from them. Personally I like being able to obtain peices of Atari history that I can run on the original equipment. Since I can't create the carts myself I'm willing to pay someone else a premium to do it for me. As far as them making a buck or two off it.... more power to them. Maybe they can make enough of a living to continue to support the Atari community.

That being said, I do dislike "knockoffs". When hard to get releases are cheaply redone, without proper permission, in an effort to cash in.


ChrisLynx probably knows the whole story about this. From what I recall -- and this was some years ago -- the situation was very complicated for the longest time and it wasn't clear who legally had the right to publish most of the lost demos/games/protos after the JTS reverse merger. Loopzis an exception for a proto because Carl actually acquired the rights to sell it after many years of bootleg distribution (and not by Songbird). I do know that some individuals were still selling Loopz after Carl legally acquired the rights several years ago, but this seems to have stopped. I don't know what the actual legal status of the other protos/demos are at this point in time.

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Posted Fri Jul 6, 2012 10:20 PM

The stuff was all sold as "salvage" to Video 61,Best Electronics and B&C ComputerVisions as early as 1994 by Mr. J.S. ;)
It was done with the provision that the stuff found in the old Atari "junk" be sold as for "Demonstration only" or as "Unreleased prototypes" with no express warranty or ties or recongnition by the Atari Corp/Atari Intreractive bunch.So,technically copyright issues could be a "grey area".Royalties were paid at times and/or a game got turned over -- as was the case with Hyperdrome in 1998 to Telegames USA. ;)

Peace out :)

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Posted Sat Jul 7, 2012 10:46 PM

Thanks for the info Chris. I see in you sig. a "LARGE Lynx collection", do you have any photos? I'd like to see it, see what I'm competing agianst ;)

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Posted Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:54 AM

Thanks for the info Chris. I see in you sig. a "LARGE Lynx collection", do you have any photos? I'd like to see it, see what I'm competing agianst ;)

I've had folks ask me that before and I've never taken any photos of stuff.All my boxes/cases are put away though.I do have most of my carts in their kit cases and one pouch case available now to possibly post some scans here,I may give it a try here with my PSVITA camera. ;)

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Posted Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:11 AM

Thought I'd bump this, just looking for some opinions on what it's actually like to play?  Can't find any sort or review or Youtube footage.  Is it too broken to be playable or do you get access to large sections of the game?



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Posted Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:41 AM

One of the reasons of me joining AA was actually me trying to find a copy of this game. So yeah, I played the public rom for a bit trying to like it, but there is not much to like in my opinion. 

 

There's one big problem with the game (next to the fact it can randomly crash): enemies will run up to you to attack quite random and you will end up in an unfair button mashing fight in which you always will lose some health. There are only so many attacks you can survive before its game over. There seems to be an interesting mechanism for the creation of potions, although I never managed to make one. 

 

It could've been a great game if it were beyond the status of prototype. Though for history reasons its fun to play at least once



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Posted Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:49 PM

Thanks.  It was a choice between a proto of this or Desert Strike and I went with the latter.



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Posted Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:39 PM

I've never had a problem with the game crashing on me. Perhaps there are more than one versions floating around out there?

 

I played Daemon's Gate quite extensively a few years ago, and the world's pretty large. I made it to six or seven towns (not all complete) before I found myself unable to continue. There's a random bug in the game that gives you immunity to damage, but it's completely unpredictable and I was never able how to trigger it on a consistent basis. It's really quite a shame, as the game's interesting and would have been a great addition to the Lynx's library.



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Posted Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:43 PM

The stuff was all sold as "salvage" to Video 61,Best Electronics and B&C ComputerVisions as early as 1994 by Mr. J.S. icon_wink.gif
It was done with the provision that the stuff found in the old Atari "junk" be sold as for "Demonstration only" or as "Unreleased prototypes" with no express warranty or ties or recongnition by the Atari Corp/Atari Intreractive bunch.So,technically copyright issues could be a "grey area".Royalties were paid at times and/or a game got turned over -- as was the case with Hyperdrome in 1998 to Telegames USA. icon_wink.gif

Peace out icon_smile.gif


Do you know the people from the shops that sell those repros?

I am seriously doubting that anyone has permisson to sell betas, so for all I cared, all copies of Daemonsgate, the EotB slideshow or AvP that are sold are basically bootlegs. Which means to me that they are pretty worthless from a collector's standpoint, and I can play them on an emulator or flashcard instead of paying anyone for something he has no right to sell.

So if some light could be shed on this it would be appreciated. I was under the impression that they simply had a very lax idea of copyright, same as many people on AA sometimes claiming that just because the Jaguar encryption stuff was given to the public domain all Jaguar games are PD too and legal to download, or old games in general are free because they aren't sold anymore in stores. Kind of the old concept "No plaintiff, no judge".

To my understanding Songbird was the only company to acquire rights to games they sell.

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Posted Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:47 AM

Doesn't copyright only last for 20 years if not renewed? A lot of this stuff is past that by now anyway.



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Posted Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:18 PM

Doesn't copyright only last for 20 years if not renewed? A lot of this stuff is past that by now anyway.

That's just trademark, so basically names.

Copyright only expires 95 years after release, or 120 years after creation, whichever happens first. So no copyright for a videogame has ever expired yet.



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Posted Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:32 AM

Never actually played any version of this, but recal Imagitec's game getting a lot of coverage (preview wise) in UK press at the time.

 

It was supposed to be a Trilogy:

 

Daemonsgate I:Dorovan's Key

 

Daemonsgate II:Nomads

 

Daemonsgate III:Homecoming

 

And developers talked of causes from previous games having an effect in a sequel, so IF you killed 'Bob' in the 1st game, you'd have his family out looking for revenge in the second, type affair (and this in 1991, eat that Mass Effect!).

 

Would have made an ideal series for the Lynx i feel.

 

Chalk up another 'What could of been...'.






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