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#26 AtariNerd OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:33 AM

Hey! Another game I must have! :P Yeah, having basic action sounds via the TIA, but with added potential sounds/music via POKEY/YM2151 would suite a lot of needs. :) (Oh, and XM HS or HS cart compatability, if you are able!) :grin:

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:33 AM

I'm partial to the...second, I think, music selection in Tengen's NES port ("Bradinsky").

And being Atari, Tengen is a natural fit.


Maybe a 2Pac song would be good for the background music. :)

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:35 AM

Maybe a 2Pac song would be good for the background music. :)

You miss the point. Tengen WAS Atari. The same Atari that released arcade Tetris.

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:46 PM

Ken-looks great...I would be in for a Cart!

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:04 PM

The arcades pokey music would be a good fit. I'm up for having different music selection as long as there is space. I'm not a musician myself though.

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:37 PM

If there's more space, I would personally focus on adding (or trying to add) Tengen's gaming variants rather than more music. The '5 piece' blocks were an interesting addition to the challenge.

And, of course, when this is done, Puyo Puyo? :)

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:56 PM

I do plan on supporting some variants, at least as far as level progression goes and maybe other pieces. I do want to have one and two button controller support potentially allowing for clockwise rotation as well, hard and soft drops in addition to the current arcade way of handling rotation and drops. Supporting the arcade intermissions is gonna be a pain. Currently I am using almost 100% of marias time for 23 rows on the screen so no chance for sprites. The center font is also full if I don't use sprites. I may drop the boards to black and white during intermissions or split the font, or maybe we don't need intermissions.

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:21 PM

Sounds like this game is going to be great . Its amazing what they did on Chetiry and with the different music tracks to choose from... so this could be a super cool game . Thanks Kenfused !

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Posted Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:15 PM

Try the gameplay without the intermissions and see if they're 'missed' first. To me, personally, they seemed to interrupt the 'flow' of the game rather than give the poor hands a few seconds off like in PacMan.

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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012 12:36 AM

call me late to the party...but I like this so far..music would be good but intermissions are not a requirement...at least not to me.. I really never did like the intermissions anyway...so I am in agreement with the previous post to mine.

The fact that you even took the time to make this game for the community is outstanding and really appreciated...I would have never thought that tetris would ever see the 7800 but you are making that possible..Thank You!!.

Edited by NIKON, Mon Dec 3, 2012 12:37 AM.


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Posted Mon Jan 7, 2013 1:36 PM

I havnt heard anything lately about this work in progress or is it finished?
How is BlocDrop coming along?
Will it be available on cart?

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Posted Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:39 PM

I surely want this when you're finished kenfused! It looks tremendous!

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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:42 AM

i'm in for a cart

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Posted Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:44 PM

The arcades pokey music would be a good fit. I'm up for having different music selection as long as there is space. I'm not a musician myself though.

I'm all for the original arcade music myself.
This plays great...
I agree, adding the second button to rotate the other direction would be awesome...

Intermissions don't matter to much to me...
The Pac/MsPac intermissions were something you played for.. Not so much (at least for me) with Tetris.. ;-)

Great work!!

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Posted Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:05 PM

I like the idea of intermissions and whatever compromises need to be made to incorporate them. Although, it wouldn't keep me from getting it once released if you decided something else.

It looks very impressive so far -- the best looking Tetris-type game I've ever seen, personally. Pokey music would be great as well if it can fit.

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Posted Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:22 PM

Gee look like it's been two months already. Keep meaning to pick this back up. I want to work on getting the the movement and rotating correctly, then get the level progression working. My main goal on the display was that each piece have 3 unique colors which I think makes it kind of unique in the 8bit world for the game. I do hope to have some configurability in the controls. The arcade used dual pokeys so pokey sound would be nice.

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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:40 PM

Thought this needed to be brought back up ...

:-)

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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013 9:22 PM

A minor update for this evening. Reworked button press logic and left/right logic. Haven't tested yet on a real console but now seems to work as originally intended in emulation. Holding button will rotate piece at a fixed rate but you can press and release to rotate at a desired rate. Same thing for moving left and right.

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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:41 AM

Awesome... :)


Very cool WIP!



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Posted Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:34 AM

Controls work great on a real 7800.

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Posted Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:20 PM

Added a couple sound effects.

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#47 Jaynz OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:27 PM

Added a couple sound effects.


Definately coming together. A few thoughts...

The 'piece' randomizer isn't as random as you have. Tetris has a 'deck' of seven pieces that's shuffled each time it runs out - so you're guaranteed to get the 'complete run' in random over every seven pieces. This is why Tetris experts can start to predict how the pieces are coming and play off it.

Title menu should probably be more '7800' like. Very minor nit there, but it's a part of how Atari/Nintendo/Sega did things back in the day.

Sounds work fine, though I wonder if you should have a 'cascading upward' effect for multi-line clearing? (Higher pitch on line #2, then #3, and something special for all 4?)

I very much look forward to seeing this coming together. Hopefully you'll add it as a fine addition to AtariAge's lineup.

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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:06 PM

Definately coming together. A few thoughts...

The 'piece' randomizer isn't as random as you have. Tetris has a 'deck' of seven pieces that's shuffled each time it runs out - so you're guaranteed to get the 'complete run' in random over every seven pieces. This is why Tetris experts can start to predict how the pieces are coming and play off it.

Title menu should probably be more '7800' like. Very minor nit there, but it's a part of how Atari/Nintendo/Sega did things back in the day.

Sounds work fine, though I wonder if you should have a 'cascading upward' effect for multi-line clearing? (Higher pitch on line #2, then #3, and something special for all 4?)

I very much look forward to seeing this coming together. Hopefully you'll add it as a fine addition to AtariAge's lineup.


Does Chetiry work like this? It seems I go a very long time without an "I" block some games and get others sometimes 3 or 4 in a row. I never knew that about Tetris block patterns. Very interesting.

I love the hold a block feature from Tetris DS.

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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:19 PM

The 'piece' randomizer isn't as random as you have. Tetris has a 'deck' of seven pieces that's shuffled each time it runs out - so you're guaranteed to get the 'complete run' in random over every seven pieces. This is why Tetris experts can start to predict how the pieces are coming and play off it.

Actually from what I have read on some pages and FAQs the randomizer depends on the version of the game. I don't remember if the arcade version this is based on just does random or if it was one of the other randomizer versions. (I know if can go quite a while before giving you a piece you want sometimes or give you many of the same pieces in a row) I may offer some options in randomizers in settings. I also hope to offer color and piece settings (squares vs. outline).

Title menu should probably be more '7800' like. Very minor nit there, but it's a part of how Atari/Nintendo/Sega did things back in the day.

At some point I hope to give it a proper title page with configurable options that it would start up in and go back too after both players are done playing.

Sounds work fine, though I wonder if you should have a 'cascading upward' effect for multi-line clearing? (Higher pitch on line #2, then #3, and something special for all 4?)

I may work on the highlighting to highlight each line in sequence and not all at once as I am doing now. Just doing it how I am now because it was easiest to implement. Things are a little complicated since the other player can be playing while lines are being cleared on one so almost everything requires using a state machine of sorts. The sound I want to be fairly close to the arcade but I am trying to do the effects with TIA leaving POKEY for music. The arcade had two POKEYS and used combined channels some so I don't know how feasible to port the music. I do have dumps of the POKEY register writes by timestamp I created with a slight hacked version of MAME for each of the tunes if someone wants to try and port them into something I can use. The arcade clock rate is pretty close to the 7800 normal clock rate.

I very much look forward to seeing this coming together. Hopefully you'll add it as a fine addition to AtariAge's lineup.

Thanks for your feedback.

Edited by kenfused, Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:20 PM.


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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:57 PM

Actually from what I have read on some pages and FAQs the randomizer depends on the version of the game. I don't remember if the arcade version this is based on just does random or if it was one of the other randomizer versions. (I know if can go quite a while before giving you a piece you want sometimes or give you many of the same pieces in a row) I may offer some options in randomizers in settings. I also hope to offer color and piece settings (squares vs. outline).


Regular, classic "Tetris" (as in the one everyone sued one another over) has the 'deck' setting by default. Post Tengen-versions I'm really not sure. I know a lot of the clones are straight-up random, naturally. But I always felt this was one little aspect that made the classic what it was. It was a nice hidden strategy, if you knew what to look for.

Sound is... gonna be a tough one. I feel like there should be more noise, but I think the major effects are there. I'll have to run to the Tengen version again to see if there was anything else... I doubt you want to add a custom sound mixer to TIA for this. :)




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