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#1376 CaptainBreakout OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:56 AM

+1 here too. I mean obviously I want one considering I'm willing to trade a whole console plus extras.

It would be a real feat to see this in the AA store. There ought to be enough room for everyone to make some money... Developers, publisher, license holder... The game already is at 3 figures to the end user and has willing buyers... At least enough to do a publish-on-demand model, which is what the AA store does I'm pretty sure.

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#1377 icemanxp300 OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:59 AM

Just to make it clear when I ask what your licensing fees are, I am not asking for a monetary value. I am asking whom do you need to pay licensing fees to and are their stipulations like you "have to" do a run of a certain minimum, maximum and such.



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Posted Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:40 PM

 

Hmm and here I thought pre-order meant people paid before this stuff was even made. Silly me.

 

 

Good point, I forgot that I pre-paid. 

 

 

Either way, there's no right or wrong on these things. You and I know there's no such thing as Jaguar Socialism. It's all about making money, and there's nothing wrong with that. What makes people even bother in the first place though, is their interest in the system. I want a 1967 Ferrari 275 GTB, and I'm pissed that I missed production, and/or couldn't afford it at the time. They should have made millions of them.



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Posted Sun Aug 5, 2018 1:49 PM

Just listed my near mint copy of Another World on eBay. My Buy It Now price is over $100 less than the next cheapest one listed:

B2_E6_B979-_EF71-49_EE-89_DB-4_B0472_DCA

https://rover.ebay.c...tm/292669206351

#1380 Gummy Bear OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Aug 8, 2018 1:07 PM

Cheap at twice the price!

#1381 icemanxp300 OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Aug 8, 2018 7:25 PM

Cheap at twice the price!

 

Don't blame him for what the going rate is.



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Posted Wed Aug 8, 2018 7:33 PM

Thanks Iceman!

Its now sold. I accepted a best offer which was $200 lower than the next lowest-priced one on eBay.

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Posted Wed Aug 8, 2018 8:01 PM

I know. I'm just jesting :)

I've spent waaaay more than that on a single game before...
(in my younger days. When I was richer)

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 10:31 AM

I remember this game was originally called" Out of This World."   I guess they had to change the name to "Another World" because there was a Magnavox Odyssey 2 game called "Out of This World".

 

But it's strange because it was called "Out of This World" in the US because "Another World" was taken by a soap opera in the US.

 

You can't call it "Another World" because of the Soap Opera.  You can't call it "Out of This World" because of the Odyssey 2 game.  What do you call it?



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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 10:50 AM

Seriously I really need to understand the mindset of the Jaguar community here. How is this even half way considered a homebrew?

 

If this game was released on the snes and other systems how is this nothing more than a port?



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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 10:56 AM

I remember this game was originally called" Out of This World."   I guess they had to change the name to "Another World" because there was a Magnavox Odyssey 2 game called "Out of This World".
 
But it's strange because it was called "Out of This World" in the US because "Another World" was taken by a soap opera in the US.
 
You can't call it "Another World" because of the Soap Opera.  You can't call it "Out of This World" because of the Odyssey 2 game.  What do you call it?


To add to the confusion, it is called Outer World in Japan:

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#1387 JagChris OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:13 AM

Seriously I really need to understand the mindset of the Jaguar community here. How is this even half way considered a homebrew?
 
If this game was released on the snes and other systems how is this nothing more than a port?


It's probably a mix of both. It's definitely a port.

It's probably condign to call it a Homebrew as well. It was ported by one person in their spare time that wasn't getting paid a wage for it or guaranteed any compensation for it. They did it voluntarily on their own.

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:16 AM

It's probably a mix of both. It's definitely a port.

It's probably condign to call it a Homebrew as well. It was ported by one person in their spare time that wasn't getting paid a wage for it or guaranteed any compensation for it. They did it voluntarily on their own.

 

LOL I HIGHLY doubt this. They ported this game with the sole intentions on doing a production run.

 

The Retro-Gaming Connexion (RGC) association is proud to announce the upcoming release of the game Another World on cartridge for the Atari Jaguar console. The iconic game, released in the early 90s, has been adapted by Sebastien Briais of the group Removers of Jagware with the blessing of the original developer, Eric Chahi.

The RGC is producing the game in the truest spirit of the original Jaguar releases, in cartridge form with a box and manual. In order to fund the project through the various stages of manufacture the game is being offered by pre-order. Release of the game is currently slated for Spring 2013. Each person who reserves a copy will receive a numbered confirmation slip by e-mail. The price for Another World is 62 Euros by PayPal, and you can pre-order a copy here.



#1389 JagChris OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:21 AM

Well I gave it a shot.

He wasn't getting paid a wage or salary. Doing it after the commercial life of the system.

That's my best guess for you.

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:25 AM

We do need another run though or just give Songbird publishing rights so everyone can enjoy this game.

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:32 AM

We do need another run though or just give Songbird publishing rights so everyone can enjoy this game.

 

In all seriousness were rights actually obtained at all in the first place? Did the developer who gave his "blessing" have all the rights to this game?



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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 11:49 AM

Does it really matter if it's considered a homebrew or a commercial release?  The lines between the two are a bit fuzzy at times.  There are homebrew games that are better than commercial releases and vice versa, for just about every system.  

 

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 12:05 PM

Does it really matter if it's considered a homebrew or a commercial release?

 

No what matters is people calling a game a homebrew when it is a port. I understand work goes into both but a homebrew is completely different. A homebrew is a new game developed by said person(s) built from the ground up. A port is taking an already existing game and it's code and putting it on a different system.

 

This makes a huge difference on many levels.



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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 1:05 PM

In all seriousness were rights actually obtained at all in the first place? Did the developer who gave his "blessing" have all the rights to this game?

Yes to both. And it's not a straight port either. SebRmv wrote a script compiler from scratch which improves the performance of the game several folds.

But why do you care so much? You wouldn't be looking for excuses to build "reproductions", would you?

#1395 JagChris OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 4:13 PM

If he doesn't do it someone else will.

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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 4:40 PM

If he doesn't do it someone else will.

 

I don't plan on doing it, but not because I feel like I owe it to anyone to not do it. I don't do it because I respect the wishes here regardless of how absurd I find them or how hypocritical I find them.

 

On the flip side I hope China starts making all these games.

 

I list my games as reproductions, others don't. It's a simple fact. If people ask me to make these games and I say no, they just move on to the next person. These games get made regardless, that's what happens when you have a shortage of an item.

 

Yes I have been asked to make this game, and no I have not made it, just to clear that up.

 

FYI I don't need an "excuse" to make a reproduction.



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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2018 7:14 PM

Can I have a repro of the SainT SD Cart?

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Posted Sun Sep 2, 2018 1:28 AM

absurd I find them or how hypocritical I find them.


Are we here again. Really?!?

- they had a contract (I presume) that allowed X amount of copies to be produced.
- they produced said amount of copies over several years.
- in order to produce more copies legitimately, a new contract would need to be negotiated.

Given youre so keen, perhaps you could negotiate. Contract with the rights holders. Then you might start to appreciate the ins and outs of such supposedly absurd and hypocritical practices (seriously, Im a little confused as to the meaning and / or intent of these assumptions / assertions).

Id personally love to see more Battlesphere Gold and multiplayer adapters produced (legitimately) but the rights holder of these games and the hardware dont seem to want to, which while frustrating for myself and others (as thered be a fair few Jag owners whod buy) is completely understandable due to the low absolute numbers and high up front costs. Thusly, I dont post about it nor hassle the rights holders, its their prerogative to do as they see fit with their game.

FYI, it is quite accurate for a game to be described as a homebrew AND a port, which is true in both cases for AW.

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Posted Sun Sep 2, 2018 7:31 AM

Are we here again. Really?!?

- they had a contract (I presume) that allowed X amount of copies to be produced.
- they produced said amount of copies over several years.
- in order to produce more copies legitimately, a new contract would need to be negotiated.

Given youre so keen, perhaps you could negotiate. Contract with the rights holders. Then you might start to appreciate the ins and outs of such supposedly absurd and hypocritical practices (seriously, Im a little confused as to the meaning and / or intent of these assumptions / assertions).

Id personally love to see more Battlesphere Gold and multiplayer adapters produced (legitimately) but the rights holder of these games and the hardware dont seem to want to, which while frustrating for myself and others (as thered be a fair few Jag owners whod buy) is completely understandable due to the low absolute numbers and high up front costs. Thusly, I dont post about it nor hassle the rights holders, its their prerogative to do as they see fit with their game.

FYI, it is quite accurate for a game to be described as a homebrew AND a port, which is true in both cases for AW.

 

Seriously everything you just said is crap. Where do I begin?

 

Contracts? I'm still waiting to be told of all these "imaginary" licensing fees that were paid to "imaginary" people. I don't buy it. I highly doubt a single licensing fee or contract was needed to produce this game. Even if there was how hard is it to do a new run? So now you are saying "imaginary" people don't like to make money? More like said individuals like their limited run to stay limited!

 

Please by all means allow me to negotiate with people on how to sit on their ass and collect a check, that sure does sound like a hard task to sell. Man I'm sweating just thinking about it. "Hey Joe, you want to make money of this game from 20 years ago that we don't have to do anything for but just let the checks roll in?", No Pete to hell with that, I don't like to make money."

 

High up front cost? IT'S ALL PRE-ORDER!

 

Lastly it is NOT accurate to call a port a homebrew. Hell so now I can start selling every Megadrive game I toss on a Genesis cart a Homebrew? How about every translated game, those are now homebrews? How about game hacks like Super Mario World Return To Dinosaur Land, which is a completely redesigned game, where levels have been altered and shit tons more work went into than simply porting code? They are all now homebrews. No a homebrew means one thing just as a port, hack, translation means something completely different!

 

You people are absurd.

 

Yes hypocritical in the sense many times Jaguar games are simply ported from other systems w/out getting rights, so essentially the games are reproductions themselves, yet they get mad at the thought of other people making reproductions of the reproduction they illegally made in the first place lol.

 

I imagine I'm pissing many of you off, but you know what. The truth is the truth! You can't call a Ford a Dodge just because you put a new emblem on it!



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Posted Sun Sep 2, 2018 8:44 AM

Though others keep saying it Sebrmv himself mentions nothing about needing re-licensing for more copies from the rights holder.

You figure he would mention that in his concerns about the travails of another run.




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