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Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013 3:58 PM
Flipping items found in the wild = totally OK, you put in the time and the driving, and brought new items to the community at large. If your prices are stupid then no one will buy.
Flipping items bought on Ebay = marginal, but unless it's a misguided BIN, everyone else had the chance to bid the item up to its true value. And of course if you need half of a lot and want to resell the other half, that's fine.
Flipping items bought on Atariage and other message boards = annoying as hell, especially if someone's trying to give a good deal to fellow members* and you turn around and relist it with a 200% markup. (Possible exception: if you keep some items in a big lot, and resell other items from the lot individually.)
Flipping homebrews available in limited quantities = if it's helpful to the original maker to have an infusion of capital, that can justify this, especially when an online retailer sells them at 20-25% higher than the "direct" price. But when something sells out, people who wanted the game are missing out, and multiple copies immediately show up on Ebay at a 250% markup, it's kinda gross. A person who does that is basically a glorified ticket scalper, and really isn't adding anything of value to the community.
But after all, I'm one of those crazy folks who think the individual's right to profit should always be balanced against the needs of the community at large, and that communities are generally well-advised to boot out members whose main interest is parasitical. So grain of salt, etc.
*(To forestall any cynical comments: yes, many people actually do this, and don't sell merely in the name of maximum profit, i.e. in hopes of getting some undereducated newbie to overpay. On AA, I'd even elevate "many" to "most"! )
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Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013 6:10 PM
What about when someone finds a particular game in a lot. They will buy the lot for that game, but intend to flip the rest of the lot? Possible loophole?
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Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:24 AM
I think flipping is fine, but as always, there are edge cases. For example, buying so many of something that is in short supply just to drive up the price is never OK (I'm thinking of a certain Odyssey reseller, here).
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:06 AM
Buying a single item or a lot just to flip it...that's sketchier, I agree, and contributes to the price inflation that hurts us all (at least if "us" means "gamers and collectors").
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:10 AM
Price inflation doesn't hurt us. The more valuable these items are, the longer they'll be preserved. If people are priced out of the market for originals, that helps develop markets for repros, clones, and ports to newer hardware. This is all good.
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013 12:03 PM
Edited by the.golden.ax, Fri Jan 4, 2013 12:05 PM.
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013 12:55 PM
I'm a collector first, and a seller second. This is proven by my actions. Dedication to the hobby comes first, and my bills second. I didn't say it was wise, or the best way to do it. I love games. Over the years I have been repeatedly vilified as a "dirty reseller" or "opportunistic sh*t." People have their opinions (haters gonna hate). Bill talks about being priced out of the market. Yes, totally. Games keep going up in price. I get that, so I play the game. The "resale game" for a collector, is just as much of a game, as video games themselves. It's just more real. It's part of the hobby if you want the bigger bad-ass stuff. You think I have Metal Slug 3 English AES because I'm rich? Heck no. I sold off $500 worth of crap that I got for less, and struggled with my bills. I have to be ready to sell it off if required of me for house and family (but I wouldn't want to) and you best bet I'd hope to get $700+. If I want something I have to work for it. You know, make sacrifices. There is this illusion that selling stuff is easy, like picking up cash from the ground. Not true. It's a crap ton of work. Anyone who has run a sales thread with more than a dozen items knows this, and are boggled by the ability of the few that can do it consistently. It's a full time job. If I didn't like video games, I'd find some cheap wholesale item and hock that instead. I deal in games because I like them. Not because it makes me money. I do what I deal. I know that breaks all the rules, but there are a few of us out there. We aren't evil. It's just how we can afford to collect the stuff we like.
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