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RCA Studio II GOLD MINE! An interview with the Studio 2 Production Manager!

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#976 Blazing Lazers ONLINE  

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Posted Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:53 PM

The guy I purchased the Demonstration Cartridge from (fltj2004), said he purchased the lot from an estate sale in De Witt, Arkansas from a retired RCA Dealer.


You got a good deal- how'd you like to double your money? ;)

Thank you so much for coming forward with this- this copy confirms reports that it had a unique white box, which hadn't been seen before now!

This year's been amazing so far, and it's still barely a week on!

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Posted Mon Jan 9, 2017 7:42 PM

This whole thing has been awesome to watch unfold. I'm going to go have a drink.



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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:20 PM

So psyched to see that Democart box! Now let's see some reproduction boxes and carts!

 

I was looking back at old posts in this topic and I was reminded that you own the Visicom games: "CAS-110" and "CAS-140". Although you have them in storage.  It would be great if you could work with stupus to get them dumped as that would mean the only missing Visicom cartridge would be "CAS-190"


Edited by TLD1985, Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:20 PM.


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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:13 PM

 

I was looking back at old posts in this topic and I was reminded that you own the Visicom games: "CAS-110" and "CAS-140". Although you have them in storage.  It would be great if you could work with stupus to get them dumped as that would mean the only missing Visicom cartridge would be "CAS-190"

 

If I could get to them for dumping, I would. It will be several years until I can though, sadly. I suspect with Stupus's hunting skills, he'll find them sooner. If not, we will dump them when I can empty my storage space. 



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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:50 PM

Anxiously awaiting the real demo carts arrival, with these freshly made repro carts and boxes! ;)

2017-01-10 18.43.46.jpg

If all goes as planned, I will more than likely offer full repros of the demo cart with box and at least loose carts with a manual and possibly more for bingo. :D
Not going to take orders yet for either, but happy to start checking interest for them.

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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:38 PM

Anxiously awaiting the real demo carts arrival, with these freshly made repro carts and boxes! ;)
attachicon.gif2017-01-10 18.43.46.jpg
If all goes as planned, I will more than likely offer full repros of the demo cart with box and at least loose carts with a manual and possibly more for bingo. :D
Not going to take orders yet for either, but happy to start checking interest for them.


You know I'm in for a full cop once we get that ROM!!! :)

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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:43 PM

Anxiously awaiting the real demo carts arrival, with these freshly made repro carts and boxes! ;)

attachicon.gif2017-01-10 18.43.46.jpg

If all goes as planned, I will more than likely offer full repros of the demo cart with box and at least loose carts with a manual and possibly more for bingo. :D
Not going to take orders yet for either, but happy to start checking interest for them.

Interest is HIGH.  :thumbsup:



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Posted Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:05 PM

Anxiously awaiting the real demo carts arrival, with these freshly made repro carts and boxes! ;)
attachicon.gif2017-01-10 18.43.46.jpg
If all goes as planned, I will more than likely offer full repros of the demo cart with box and at least loose carts with a manual and possibly more for bingo. :D
Not going to take orders yet for either, but happy to start checking interest for them.


U know i am good for one of each. Thank u for doing this.

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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:38 AM

I am checking in for one of everything, cup included.  :)



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:51 AM

Shouldn't you put some mark on it tho to indicate it's a copy. I know it would look far too clean to be original. But you don't want someone 10 years in the future finding one and thinking he's got some small gem.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:05 AM

Shouldn't you put some mark on it tho to indicate it's a copy. I know it would look far too clean to be original. But you don't want someone 10 years in the future finding one and thinking he's got some small gem.


Yes, I will be. I haven't decided exactly what yet. I am thinking on the inside lip of the box something like (2017 Reproduction #1)
So numbering them as well so sold copies could be tracked too should they reappear for sale or whatever.
Probably the same thing on at least 1 of the labels.
Happy to hear any input on this as well :)

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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:22 AM

Personally I'd remove the "stock no." and put "Repro no." or "Reproduction no."

 

 

then for the number  you could put    "2017V0001"


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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:37 AM

Not sure I want to alter it that much....
On the label I was thinking just adding to the part number.
Like this: 1808517-20-2017-#1

I don't really think it needs more than that. Just enough so it can be identified easily from the original by a collector.
And for the box I think the info on the inner lip is enough.
Similar to what the intellivision repro boxes have with repro info on 1 of the bottom box flaps.

Happy to hear any other opinions too. ;)

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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:40 AM

Does "Stock No" appear on any other Studio II items except for this demonstration cartridge? It seems to me all other games, Bingo included, have the text "Program Cartridge" and the model below. I suppose just adding a trailing "R" to the number would be enough to keep apart original item from reproduction, and it would not stand out a lot neither.

 

Thus a reproduction Bingo cartridge would be "Program Cartridge 18V601R" and this demonstration cartridge would be "Stock No. 5008331R". If you want to add a serial number, that could be on the inside or perhaps you want to number it 5008331R01.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:47 AM

Yes, I will be. I haven't decided exactly what yet. I am thinking on the inside lip of the box something like (2017 Reproduction #1)
So numbering them as well so sold copies could be tracked too should they reappear for sale or whatever.
Probably the same thing on at least 1 of the labels.
Happy to hear any input on this as well :)

 

This is the best approach- ideally, the repro will be as absolutely authentic in appearance as possible- why else do this if not? After all, the entire purpose is for us few Studio II buffs to have the closest experience possible to owning a real copy- of which there are far too few ever made, let alone still in existence for any of us to reasonably hope to ever own.

I'm not at all worried about repros being used to dip somebody off, especially since these use a big sticker for the box label that differs from what RCA used back in the day. If absolutely felt to be necessary, a small secondary sticker or other repro indication could grace the underside of the box lid- where it'd be out of sight. The rest should be as authentic as possible.


 

Personally I'd remove the "stock no." and put "Repro no." or "Reproduction no."
 
 
then for the number  you could put    "2017V0001"

Gotta disagree there- that'd be changing too much. There's no reason to- on the off chance somebody actually did decide to make a fake to rip off the very few of us who collect Studio II there's already plenty of photographs available for them to do so. Hell, somebody could dummy up a boxed Tester I or US Pinball fake and we'd never be able to be sure until examining it ourselves, and a Demonstration Cartridge would be even easier to do.

It's a very unusual coincidence that the only two known surviving copies have just now turned up, along with the Bingo. Given how elusive they've been in spite of some VERY concerted collector hunting, any other surviving copies are bound to be in the hands of non-collectors who don't realize what they even have. These are just too rare to be faked- and any attempts to make a fake would be picked out by us. The odds of a successful fake getting pulled on us are nil.

Edited by Blazing Lazers, Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:49 AM.


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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:31 AM

I'd prefer to see some sort of on-cart indication it's a reproduction. Just thinking in the long run, if these are still bouncing around in 10-20 years it'd be nice to have some clear indication it's not an original.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:45 AM

So at this point from input, I am thinking that I will do this:
(2017 - Reproduction #X)
This will be in a matching font on the inside lip of the box. X being the copy/owner number.

And on at least 1 side of the cart, I will add 1 of these 2 additions to the small part number. Probably not necessary to do this on both labels...

1808517-20-2017#X
1808517-20-R#X

Also the carts will no longer have the original rivets rca sealed them with, they will probably use screws similar to what the multicarts have. So that will be an easy idenifier.
Also the labels will not have the very slightly rounded corners the originals did. Another identifier commonly used on 2600 repros.

That should be more than enough ;)

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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:15 AM

I'd prefer to see some sort of on-cart indication it's a reproduction. Just thinking in the long run, if these are still bouncing around in 10-20 years it'd be nice to have some clear indication it's not an original.

 

No need for that, and detrimental to those of us who just want the closest thing possible to an original that we'll likely never actually get to own- repros that few if any of us would EVER sell in our lifetimes. Besides, if somebody really wants to fake any of the Studio II rarities they already can with the photographs that are out there. Altering the repros would be the equivalent of closing the barn doors after the horses have already escaped- and they have. It'd do nothing except make the repro experience that much less fulfilling.

 

And while these are likely to be around in another few decades, their very construction, aging, labels, boards, etc will be enough to tell them apart from anything contemporary to the 1970's. And there's likely to be a LOT more of these repros than there are actual Demonstration Cartridges, along with copies of Bingo, the Testers, etc.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:18 AM

So at this point from input, I am thinking that I will do this:
(2017 - Reproduction #X)
This will be in a matching font on the inside lip of the box. X being the copy/owner number.

And on at least 1 side of the cart, I will add 1 of these 2 additions to the small part number. Probably not necessary to do this on both labels...

1808517-20-2017#X
1808517-20-R#X

Also the carts will no longer have the original rivets rca sealed them with, they will probably use screws similar to what the multicarts have. So that will be an easy idenifier.
Also the labels will not have the very slightly rounded corners the originals did. Another identifier commonly used on 2600 repros.

That should be more than enough ;)

 

That is indeed more than enough :)

 

And yeah, like you say, the construction of these, as evidenced by the rivets and boards, would by itself be sufficient to identify a repro apart from any other genuine copies that might happen to surface in the future.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:33 AM

Just to make a further point on the upcoming repros and how authentic they should appear: there's no reason to be worried about fakes for the simple reason that there is no real gain to be had in making any.

 

Who would some faker even hope to swindle with a knockoff? Us! Studio II is one of the very least popular consoles, and us collectors for it are few enough and knowledgeable enough that we could easily spot any fakes that might theoretically be made. Just because it'd be easy to craft a fake in no way means that there'd be anybody to be fooled by it. And there'd be no way to sell one online without some of us noticing it. We are the potential market for any Studio II rarities, and fortunately for us (and unfortunately for any would-be scammers) we can quickly determine if something isn't real.

 

Just at look at some of the rarer games for some other systems like the Arcadia 2001, Channel F, or even the more recent Nuon: there are some extremely rare titles for those that only rarely surface- sometimes years in between appearances. And when they do, they tend to attract strong interest from their collectors, and sell for fair amounts of money. I know, as I've paid substantially for copies of Grand Slam Tennis, Checkers, and Iron Soldier 3, among others. Yet even so, no fakes are to be found for any of the rarer titles on these systems, even though it could easily be done. And the reason is the same as to why we have nothing to worry about when it comes to somebody trying to fake Studio II rarities: the market for them is just way too small.

 

Those of you worried about fakes are worried over nothing.



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:35 AM

Nice to finally see that demo cart surface.  Pretty short demo though isn't it?



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:39 AM

Nice to finally see that demo cart surface.  Pretty short demo though isn't it?

 Sure is! :)

 

I meant to ask you too- do recall anything of the one our mysterious Dan had at PC2K, by his own account, and also the next year at PC2K1 with the Bingo copy?



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:47 AM

That is indeed more than enough :)
 
And yeah, like you say, the construction of these, as evidenced by the rivets and boards, would by itself be sufficient to identify a repro apart from any other genuine copies that might happen to surface in the future.

Yes, for me I don't have any real worries over any collector thinking these repros are the real thing.
For me the small identifiers are more intended for 10-20 years down the line if someone with no knowledge of them should happen upon these.
Also the pcb will not be the same color as the original so that's another easy way to tell quickly.
That and the screws and the labels corners are enough for me to almost say that no extra alteration on the cart label is even needed.
The box I do for sure want the labeling inside....

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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:02 PM

Just a couple of years ago it would have been inconceivable to me that the Studio II could ever generate this much excitement. :P

 

Anxiously awaiting the real demo carts arrival, with these freshly made repro carts and boxes! ;)

attachicon.gif2017-01-10 18.43.46.jpg

If all goes as planned, I will more than likely offer full repros of the demo cart with box and at least loose carts with a manual and possibly more for bingo. :D
Not going to take orders yet for either, but happy to start checking interest for them.


Any chance you'd ever do CIB repros of Speedway/Tag and Gunfighter/Moonship Battle? Those are the only original titles I'm still missing CIB. :-D



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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:14 PM

 I meant to ask you too- do recall anything of the one our mysterious Dan had at PC2K, by his own account, and also the next year at PC2K1 with the Bingo copy?

 

Nothing that hasn't already been said.  As the years go by my memory of the event is getting fuzzier, but what I do remember is:

 

1. The guy had a whole Studio II display.  Not just the system and some games, but some sort of advertisement standee as well (might have been cardboard)

2. He had the Bingo cart with the box, cards. and tokens.  It looks exactly like the one that turned up from what I remember.

3. I swear it said that it was part of the TV Casino series (TV Casino II), but that was probably just my mind making a logical jump as the box that turned up doesn't say that.  It's possible it was a slightly different box I suppose.

4. I didn't actually see the game in action. I just pawed through the box.

5. IIRC he said that he got it from a tiny local shop (an appliance store I think) years earlier when the couple who owned it retired.  I believe he said they had it in the back room in storage all this time.

 

That's about all I can recall other than the guy was nice enough and I wish I had asked more questions.






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