godslabrat Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the same discussion where he said "north of $100" he goes on to say specifically between $120-$140 more. Can't watch the video to check, but by that, do you mean $120 MORE THAN $100? As in $220+? Because that's FAIL territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashv Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Can't watch the video to check, but by that, do you mean $120 MORE THAN $100? As in $220+? Because that's FAIL territory. No. The rep was talking final price $120-$140. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 No. The rep was talking final price $120-$140. :/ Oh. Good, I can live with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Hm... Wondering if the price went up because of the delays in development? Or maybe they realize they've got a hot product and jacked it up a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashv Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Hm... Wondering if the price went up because of the delays in development? Or maybe they realize they've got a hot product and jacked it up a bit? This latest set of delays seemed to have hit them totally off guard before the units shipped out. My guess is the fact they are running an android based OS put them in a different category of export. Nothing they've released before (to my knowledge) runs a full blown "OS" with generic compute capabilities. This probably meant more paperwork and possibly higher export tariffs or taxes. The Hyperkin rep said it was to cover R&D for future Retron models like the Retron X86 they just recently announced. It could be as simple as that. But if so there are better ways they could have handled it. For example if they'd announced 32x support or Sega CD support via an external USB CD drive then they could have easily made that a for pay firmware update after the fact. What's ticked most people off is Hyperkin has been talking about how the delay has allowed them to add value to the system through more accurate emulation and more features. But to turn around and increased the price 20-40% kinda kills the added value argument. It's not added value if they are charging extra for it. That said, I am locked in at the original pre-order price and I intend to wait it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Throw in 7800 (b/c with 2600) and N64 ports and call it Retron7. Now it can play 13 "systems" according to Hyperkin's logic. FYI, Hyperkin's logic is flawed claiming the Retron5 plays 10 systems. SNES/Super Famicom and Genesis/Mega Drive are identical except for region lockout, so listing them as independant systems is redundant. Well, if you're going to do all that, I want Turbo Grafx support too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconhood Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well, if you're going to do all that, I want Turbo Grafx support too. And an Emerson Arcadia 2001, too, and maybe a NeoGeo port and PC-FX optic drive it there's room for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 TG-16 is my latest gaget and it's awesome, but in truth how many people see TG-16 games in their local Game shops? Many gamers don't know what a TG-16 is, many fewer have games for it. I'd never heard of TurboGrafx until Nintendo announced them on Virtual Console in 2006. Very cool IMO. After I secured my Turbo system in 2014, I checked Hucard prices online and promptly ordered the Turbo Everdrive from Stone Age Gamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 ...Do not regret my purchase one bit. People are familiar with Atari and N64 carts. I assume Hyperkin's rationale for not including them is probably technical for N64, and regarding Atari because they assume nobody gives a crap. N64 practically begs for the HD treatment as the games are really gorgeous when rendered in HD. A2600/7800 RF is so out spec from NTSC it's a miracle if original hardware displays at all on modern sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 TG-16 is my latest gaget and it's awesome, but in truth how many people see TG-16 games in their local Game shops? Many gamers don't know what a TG-16 is, many fewer have games for it. I'd never heard of TurboGrafx until Nintendo announced them on Virtual Console in 2006. Very cool IMO. After I secured my Turbo system in 2014, I checked Hucard prices online and promptly ordered the Turbo Everdrive from Stone Age Gamer. Just curious how old you are that you never heard of it until 2006? I ask this because although it wasn't that popular at all, all of the kids I knew in 1989, 1990, 1991, etc. heard of it back then. They thought I was nuts for buying it, but they heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashv Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ...Do not regret my purchase one bit. People are familiar with Atari and N64 carts. I assume Hyperkin's rationale for not including them is probably technical for N64, and regarding Atari because they assume nobody gives a crap. N64 practically begs for the HD treatment as the games are really gorgeous when rendered in HD. A2600/7800 RF is so out spec from NTSC it's a miracle if original hardware displays at all on modern sets. Hyperkin couldn't include n64 support because they needed to wait for the hardware patent to expire (it did this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 How do you explain the GBA being supported then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 @White Knight: I was born in 1981. The NES that got me hooked on gaming was the exact same console my parents refused to buy me every year for Christmas as a kid no matter how hard I begged them. I knew tons of kids had NES, and later Genesis and SNES. I was pretty sheltered as a kid, never owned any of the home console systems back in the day. I didn't even really start doing forums until 2007-ish. For years my only interest was Nintendo, still had that "Atari = crap" mentality, and I mainly started building my collection through my local game shop. When Wii VC came out in 2006, I was all over it cherry picking what games to download. I knew NES, SNES, N64 because I had those systems, and was familiar with Genesis as well, primarily the Sonic games. I'm like "wtf is TurboGrafx?" started browsing the game selection, and I'm like "these games look awesome!" So it's not unfathomable that other retro gamers out there don't know about the system. It's had a reniassance in recent years, but due to the low production, most games are stupid expensive now. Call me stupid, uninformed, or whatever for waiting until 2014 to get one. I got my first Atari in 2012. Late bloomer, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashv Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 How do you explain the GBA being supported then? I'm just telling you what Hyperkin has said. I don't work for them, nor am I current on which patents are still valid vs which are not. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 @White Knight: I was born in 1981. The NES that got me hooked on gaming was the exact same console my parents refused to buy me every year for Christmas as a kid no matter how hard I begged them. I knew tons of kids had NES, and later Genesis and SNES. I was pretty sheltered as a kid, never owned any of the home console systems back in the day. I didn't even really start doing forums until 2007-ish. For years my only interest was Nintendo, still had that "Atari = crap" mentality, and I mainly started building my collection through my local game shop. When Wii VC came out in 2006, I was all over it cherry picking what games to download. I knew NES, SNES, N64 because I had those systems, and was familiar with Genesis as well, primarily the Sonic games. I'm like "wtf is TurboGrafx?" started browsing the game selection, and I'm like "these games look awesome!" So it's not unfathomable that other retro gamers out there don't know about the system. It's had a reniassance in recent years, but due to the low production, most games are stupid expensive now. Call me stupid, uninformed, or whatever for waiting until 2014 to get one. I got my first Atari in 2012. Late bloomer, I guess... No, you're not stupid at all. I didn't know you were that young when the TG was released, but you had to have seen it in Toys R' Us in 1989, 1990, 1991, etc. Either that or you just walked right by it. to the Nintendo games. . I'm guessing most young kids at the time didn't hear of it. I was 15 when it was released in the US, and I saw it in stores and on TV. I also knew it was coming because of EGM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I remember seeing it compete with the NES and Genesis. A common mindset at the time was that Bonk was a very impressive looking game, but wasn't going to sell a system by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+FujiSkunk Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Turbo Grafx 16 was all over Wal-Mart when it first came out. The Wal-Mart local to me had a big display booth with a looping video that did a pretty good job making it look fun. The game selection just never really got there, though, and it wasn't long before the display and the rest of the hardware disappeared. This was also when the bit wars were really heating up, and TG-16 detractors liked pointing out how there was really an 8-bit CPU inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah, I will say that if this supported more oddball 'pain in the rear' systems, then I'd be more interested in its abilities. If it's 5 included TG16, Lynx, or Game Gear--oh boy, I'd really like a way to play those that's not annoying. Because of the lousy video output on those...well I'm not sure I can say 'the real thing' is the best way to experience them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah, I will say that if this supported more oddball 'pain in the rear' systems, then I'd be more interested in its abilities. If it's 5 included TG16, Lynx, or Game Gear--oh boy, I'd really like a way to play those that's not annoying. Because of the lousy video output on those...well I'm not sure I can say 'the real thing' is the best way to experience them. Yeah, to me, that's the next frontier in clone systems-- oddballs where the original hardware isn't really practical. I actually had an idea a long time ago for a retron5-like device for vectrex. I'd love a way to play 2600 or cdi without needing real hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Just got the "Project Update #26: Super 4 in 1 Multicart for the SNES by Eleazar Galindo Navarro." For those of us who backed both the game and RetroN 5 combo on Kickstarter, it was stated that the retail price of the RetroN will now be $149.99, but Hyperkin will honor what we paid at the Kickstarter of $99.99, so it won't cost us anything extra. Classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ^^Piko of Piko Interactive just updated this fact in the Retron5 thread on NintendoAge. I'm really hoping Hyperkin honors ALL preorders, not just Amazon and others. Rumor has it via Facebook update there is a strong possibility those of us who preordered from StoneAgeGamer might need to pay a second invoice to make up the price difference or otherwise cancel our entire preorder. Not looking forward to my preorder getting shafted while people who preordered elsewhere get off paying less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ^^Piko of Piko Interactive just updated this fact in the Retron5 thread on NintendoAge. I'm really hoping Hyperkin honors ALL preorders, not just Amazon and others. Rumor has it via Facebook update there is a strong possibility those of us who preordered from StoneAgeGamer might need to pay a second invoice to make up the price difference or otherwise cancel our entire preorder. Not looking forward to my preorder getting shafted while people who preordered elsewhere get off paying less. Did you prepay? That makes a difference. We obviously prepaid on Kickstarter, while most other pre-orders were just reservations. There would be no obligation to keep reservations at the pre-order price considering the product has changed so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Definitely will NOT be buying one at that price. No way. After getting the ouya I was on the fence to buy one at $100 so *mike drop* I'm out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yes I prepaid on StoneAgeGamer. You have purchase preorders in advance but you can cancel and recieve a refund at any time before product ships. I'm gonna be really bummed if I have to pay additional funds to recieve an item I've already paid for. Amazon has preorder price guarantee, but that's Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashv Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Did you prepay? That makes a difference. We obviously prepaid on Kickstarter, while most other pre-orders were just reservations. There would be no obligation to keep reservations at the pre-order price considering the product has changed so much.Amazon has a preorder price guarantee. Folks who are locked in aren't getting unfair treatment. They are getting treatment according to the terms set forth during Pre-order. Folks being asked to pay more are likewise getting treatment according to the terms they Pre-ordered under. Both Stone Age Gamer and Amazon make their policies clear up front. They just happen to be very different. Most people are simply too eager to click "checkout" before reading all the fine print. With kickstarter I always assume my money will be lost. :-) That way I can be pleasantly surprised when the project is a success and the rewards arrive. :-) It's really cool the project is able to deliver based on the original prices. Edited April 23, 2014 by dashv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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