CrazyChris Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 https://www.imagineshop.co.uk/magazines/retrogamer/retro-gamer-issue-119.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 https://www.imagineshop.co.uk/magazines/retrogamer/retro-gamer-issue-119.html If you want to read a circle jerking piece of nonsense written by a fibbing talentless copy & paste 'retro journalist' then here's your big chance... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 If you want to read a circle jerking piece of nonsense written by a fibbing talentless copy & paste 'retro journalist' then here's your big chance... But how do you really feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 But how do you really feel? I was being kind there. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Just read it recently. Not sure what the big problem is. It was a positive article about the Jaguar, with some tid bits I hadn't read before. For the casual reader like myself it was worth reading... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Just read it recently. Not sure what the big problem is. It was a positive article about the Jaguar, with some tid bits I hadn't read before. For the casual reader like myself it was worth reading... So can you summarize the good, the bad and the ugly for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Not really. It's an article in a niche magazine about an even more niche console. I would say it's all good. Look at it this way- on teh innerwebz this author is accused of plagiarism from what I can tell. But if you divorce all that drama I really don't see the problem. If you were someone in the newsagents browsing the magazine, you may or may not decide to buy it and take it home. That's how I came to be reading the magazine some years ago, and most people. You know what got me about this magazine? The 'old!' label on the corner! Ok, you buy this intriguing magazine and take it home and read it. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the Jaguar (like I was) and find the article on the Jaguar interesting (like I did). At no point when you were browsing the magazine would you think 'hmmm, I wonder if the article is plagiarised. I better go home and do some research before I buy this magazine because if any of it is plagiarised, it suddenly won't be as interesting'. If it was a thesis for a doctorate, I would understand. And I understand the concerns about plagiarism in general. But from the context of getting people interested in the Jaguar, I say this is a win. Some aspects I thought seemed new (or at least not plagiarised) were interviews with Darryl Still, former marketing manager of Atari UK, Baldies programmer David Wightman and a home brewer named Steve Scavone. All with interesting little insights. I can't say whether any of this is good, bad or ugly. Or if it was copy and pasted. Only that I enjoyed the article. I don't need to type the article into google and see what comes up. An article in Retro Gamer some years ago sowed the seeds for me buying a Jaguar, and who knows, maybe that article was plagiarised. I don't think that should take away from my experience so far though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) The issue isn't just plagiarism (which is bad enough) but making things up out of whole cloth. If you're OK with that, then... *shrug* Edited October 6, 2013 by Shamus 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The issue isn't just plagiarism (which is bad enough) but making things up out of whole cloth. If you're OK with that, then... *shrug* Oh, I hadn't realised the article was made up. Which parts in particular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Oh, I hadn't realised the article was made up. Which parts in particular? While there are inaccuracies in the article you mention (hardly major, but obvious to those who know the history of the Jaguar), only the "author" himself would be able to reveal the sources for his many facts and it's highly anyone who is uninformed would have their world shattered by a few snippets of untruth or over-exaggeration. As for plagiarism, I am not aware that anyone has called into question that particular article with regards to such. I don't see any value in further discussing this here, if you really insist in doing so I don't believe this thread is the right place. There must be a dozen or more threads on AtariAge that cover his various misdemeanours and more insidious outright shit-stirring and fibbing. I suggest you do a few searches and fully inform yourself before championing any such cause. Your thoughts on the article itself possibly piquing the interest of some retro fan in the Jaguar are worthy, albeit more fuelled by good will than what might actually occur (after all, the jaguar is already seen in retro circles as one of the biggest jokes there is, such an article won't work miracles to stem that). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't really follow what you are saying. What I was doing was pointing out that the article is a good read. I THINK that was the intention of CrazyChris as well, although I might be wrong. I don't understand your aside about 'many sources' as if that was insidious. An author has sources, no? The facts come from somewhere else normally. You are right, there is no value in discussing the authors misdeeds that happened in other threads and forums. This thread (I thought) was just about an article that appears in RetroGammer #119. Not about the shennanagans of the author. If I were to read these threads Meh, just read some of the other threads! While I am still able to divorce his past actions from this current article (writing a story is easier than coding after all and his forum antics is all history to me) I can't really argue about your feelings. There was a guy on another forum I was on that screwed people around (for money, not just kudos) that caused a lot of anger so I can see where you are coming from. The Back to Basics thread was quite funny As you were! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Don't get me wrong. I think the more people that are reading and finding out about the Jaguar the better and there's certainly a lot of misinformation out there that needs countering (32+32 etc.). The Jag has long been the butt of many jokes when maybe it's a lot less deserving than some other hardware efforts that really tanked, probably due to high-profile pisstakes such as avgn more than anything. I think where some people have a problem is that the picture painted of the current Jaguar creatives scene isn't painted with a true brush, the omissions and slant are obvious to anyone who has even a passing connection with the Jaguar these days. The motivation behind this is probably pretty clear to anyone who has been around the past 10 years or so... which all goes to reinforce the feelings towards the individual and his persisting agenda. It appears that even when he's not playing games with peoples lives, flat-out lying about their actions, defaming or slandering them, when he appears to be doing something much more positive than drawing from his usual repertoire, he can't help but skew things to suit his own particular program. If a "journalist" needs to have one thing in their locker, something that defines them and their works, it's integrity. It's difficult to see much in the way of that and therefore unsurprising to see "circle-jerk" type comments. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 If you want to read a circle jerking piece of nonsense written by a fibbing talentless copy & paste 'retro journalist' then here's your big chance... In the spirit of the Atari Jaguar itself, the article is truthful where it needs to be. I thought it was an interesting read, as the magazine itself generally is. Keep 'em coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I don't buy the magazine as a whole based on the fact I find the Asda brand of toilet paper to be softer on my posterior and more absorbent.. also better value for money This has nothing to do with this article or it's author. The TMR homebrew section tempts me each month.. but other aspects keep me from shelling out for the mag... I am doing that wallet voting thing 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Is there a better retro gaming mag out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sargon Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Is there a better retro gaming mag out there? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/socalmike/retro-the-multi-format-throw-back-video-game-magaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiArcader Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/socalmike/retro-the-multi-format-throw-back-video-game-magaz Hmmm ... how you can say it's a better retro magazine when it hasn't even been produced (or funded even) is a little bit strange. As for Retro Gamer , well, it's here now and even if some journo's have personal preferences so become somewhat biased the fact is it is makes for an interesting read for those into playing the old school games via emulators or even just seeing what was happening in the gaming scene two or three decades ago in their "What happened this month in 1982/1992...." articles. Personally I prefer Games tm but I get both of those plus Play tm and X-360 on the iPad for a paltry monthly fee through Pixelmags Readr app so I can't really complain when I am getting them all for less than the print price of any one of them. And I get to read all the back issues in that monthly cost so it's a pretty good deal as I see it. That new magazine MIGHT turn out better. Then again it MIGHT just wither and die quickly like many other magazines have done over the years. Time will tell ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorsten Günther Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Is there a better retro gaming mag out there? Here in Germany I consider "Return" to be the superior choice (although I do buy the German language issues of Retro Gamer magazine - which started translating articles from the English magazine, but now are adding newly written stuff), but English language...sorry, no eye-deer. Theres's some more magazines here: "Power Play" (a games mag from the 1980s) has been relaunched featuring an IMHO unhealthy mixture of retro and modern gaming (I have bought one issue and am not happy with it, for modern gaming is mostly boring to me to read about), and "Retro" is a long-running (28th issue) quarterly magazine that also covers "retro" games such as "Mickey Epic 2" (issue 26) and thus fails to grab my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 http://retromaniacmagazine.blogspot.com Stylish, awesome content and free, really puts many paid for efforts to shame. Created with a real spirit and love for their subject, not checked the latest issues as not had that much free time. EDIT: The link to retro maniac was utterly arsed - went off to some AA thread?! Fixed (hopefully!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 i dont really get the point of retro gaming mags... new information is uncovered so frequently and there are so many internet resources readily available that you are less limited by just learning with a little of your own initiative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiArcader Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 True ... but they say the internet is 90% porn and the other 10% lies and rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'd say 10% is being generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well there is the crossover too.. all those faked porn pictures are kinda a bit of both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 What about cat pictures? That's gotta be at least 5%. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Maybe we can combine retro video game and porn, that'll be 95%, and 5% cats, that's perfect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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