Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) As much as I have tried, I can't figure out the Incognito's joystick ports. I have 3 & 4 enabled in setup, but a simple BASIC program: 10 ?stick(3),strig(3):g.10 does not show those ports working. All I get is 15 1. I *AM* moving the stick and pressing the button. Any ideas? Edited January 10, 2014 by Kyle22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) They should only work as an 800 in an 800 mode. On XL/XE, ports 3/4 are connected as cartridge sense and keyboard sense (XEGS only) lines. In the XL/XE OSes, the shadow registers (which the Basic statements use) will reflect the state of Ports 1 and 2. That also applies to paddles. Edited January 10, 2014 by Rybags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 I was hoping that the logic chip would allow the use of the other ports. Joystick 3 & 4 enable/disable are in the XL/XE section of the menu. They are NOT in the Coleen (800) section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I was hoping that the logic chip would allow the use of the other ports. Joystick 3 & 4 enable/disable are in the XL/XE section of the menu. They are NOT in the Coleen (800) section. Maybe these settingd work with a Translator type OS(XLFIX/OSNXL are 2 examples) when in XL/XE mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 I get 15 and 208 in OmniView, and 0 and 208 in OmniMon. I can try and flash other OS's in there, I'll need to shift things around to get XL compatible OS B. I want this to work for a new R:Verter style device that uses a joystick port for RTS/CTS. Also, it would be nice to try a Corvus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I was hoping that the logic chip would allow the use of the other ports. Joystick 3 & 4 enable/disable are in the XL/XE section of the menu. They are NOT in the Coleen (800) section. I'd take from that that they are ALWAYS active in Colleen mode. Forgetting the shadow locations - what are the actual hardware locations reading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) direct reads of $D301 (portb) don't work. pactl and pbctl both have 3c in them. Edited January 10, 2014 by Kyle22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 direct reads of $D301 (portb) don't work. Can't see a different OS helping, then. Gonna have to have a look at my 800... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 You're better off reading direct from the hardware registers when testing such stuff. The PORTA/B only do joystick directions / paddle triggers. The TRIG registers are through GTIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 You're better off reading direct from the hardware registers when testing such stuff. The PORTA/B only do joystick directions / paddle triggers. The TRIG registers are through GTIA. I was reading $D301 PORTB from OmniMon while moving the stick (and re-reading D301) each time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Read d381 instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russg Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 As much as I have tried, I can't figure out the Incognito's joystick ports. I have 3 & 4 enabled in setup, but a simple BASIC program: 10 ?stick(3),strig(3):g.10 does not show those ports working. All I get is 15 1. I *AM* moving the stick and pressing the button. Any ideas? I'm pretty sure port '3' is actually port 4. The port number for an 800 would be from the left 0,1,2,3. An xl would only have port 0,1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Read d381 instead 10 ?peek($D381):g.10 run 211 211 211 211 211 0 211 211 0 211 211 211 211 211 0 and so on. no visible pattern to it, and it does not change with stick movement in either port 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm pretty sure port '3' is actually port 4. The port number for an 800 would be from the left 0,1,2,3. An xl would only have port 0,1. that is correct, with STICK(x) and STRIG(x) in BASIC, but in setup, they are labelled 3&4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 D3f1 then, poin is to use a shadow location, try d341 too - i dont remember the actual range it works, and wont get a chance to check it till monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 can anyone recommend a program to display an entire block of memory in real time? that would be so much easier than having to fiddle with the stick while manually typing d d300 d3ff in a debugger over and over and trying to spot a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 This one might do it... Memory Eye.xex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks for memory eye. it works, but the other two ports don't change anything in the $D300 page. $D300-$D37F look normal, but $D380-$D3FF are all rapidly changing, seemingly meaningless numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russg Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) that is correct, with STICK(x) and STRIG(x) in BASIC, but in setup, they are labelled 3&4. Since Incognito is a XL/XE emulation, PORTB ($D301/54017) Is for BASIC ROM control, there is no port 3,4. Edited January 10, 2014 by russg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Since Incognito is a XL/XE emulation, PORTB ($D301/54017) Is for BASIC ROM control, there is no port 3,4. then why is there an option in setup to enable / disable them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Using EYE2 (available here: the other EYE tool crashed when I pressed G to set the address), it looks as if $D300-D303 repeat every four bytes up to $D37F, with $D380-D3FF indeterminate or WO. I can see the effect on PORTA if I connect a joystick, but no change on any address in the range with a stick connected to ports 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 same results with eye2... The command line address feature is nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 same results with eye2... The command line address feature is nice Well quite. At least this is an opportunity to use a really nice monitor tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russg Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) then why is there an option in setup to enable / disable them? I don't know. If Incognito really emulates a XL/XE, it has a built in BASIC ROM. If it has that, then PORTB will only serve to enable/disable it. I think in XL/XE, PORTB does more than just enable/disable BASIC, there is some service to BASIC in the OS. I guess Incognito has a custom OS. Someone intended to service ports 3, 4, but such service got lost somewhere along the line. Edited January 11, 2014 by russg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Remember, the Incognito has its own logic on it that replaces the MMU. It can change the normal "rules". It already intercepts the trig3 signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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