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BASIC ABBUC NOMAM Competition

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#351 flashjazzcat OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Nov 1, 2014 3:13 AM

Can't Altirra BASIC be binary loaded?

#352 CharlieChaplin OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Nov 1, 2014 8:23 AM

Well,

 

afaik Altirra Basic is 100% compatible with Atari Basic (also includes 18 new statements/commands right now and is faster), so one could use it instead of Atari Basic. Altirra Basic includes some additional Basic commands that are otherwise only available in Basic XE or TB XL.

 

BUT: Altirra Basic  does not contain all commands from Basic XE or TB XL (just some of them) - so, as said before, use it to replace Atari Basic... 

 

There are two variants of Altirra Basic: a) the 8k BIN/ROM file version, one can use/burn it on an Eprom or flash cart, b) the XEX file version which can be binary loaded from DOS (just like TB XL).

 

So in the end, the next tenliners contest could allow four Basic languages: a) Atari Basic (okay with Altirra Basic it would be redundant, but anyways), b) Altirra Basic, c) Basic XL (one can use the free runtime! see above) and d) TB XL. I would not care for other Basic languages (like Advan Basic, MS Basic, Hypra soft Basic, Fast Basic, Basic XE, etc.) since they are too uncommon. But this is only a suggestion from me...



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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:13 AM

Re.: Altirra Basic - it is really supported? I am trying to get a manual or a list of commands, but to no avail. The link to pigwa ftp seems to be dead and http://atariwiki.strotmann.de/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Altirra%20Basic contains ROMs only. 

Additionally I have noticed that the editor is not really predictable - sometimes entered lines are not recorded, entering a line number sometimes deletes the line, sometimes lists an entire program and sometimes does other things. Example attached. For some reason lines 20 and 30 disappeared although this was not intended :)

 

So, Altirra Basic is possibly perfect as an Atari Basic replacement for running Atari Basic programs, but not really good for a new development at the moment.

 

Best,

 

pirx

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Edited by pirx, Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:16 AM.


#354 Mclaneinc ONLINE  

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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:00 AM

Attn Pirx

 

Pointer to Phaerons Basic Manual in PDF format

 

http://atariage.com/...15#entry3123498



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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:07 AM

You should post the bugs you find with Altirra Basic in Phareon's thread.  He's usually very quick to fix anything people find wrong with Altirra or Altirra Basic.  Just make sure you've downloaded the latest versions of them from the following thread and if the bugs are still present post a message there.

 

http://atariage.com/...-250-final-out/

 

Bob

 

 

 

So, Altirra Basic is possibly perfect as an Atari Basic replacement for running Atari Basic programs, but not really good for a new development at the moment.

 

Best,

 

pirx


Edited by bfollett, Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:07 AM.


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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:54 AM

Oh, inded, the 2.60-test33 version has the buggies I have noticed fixed beautifully! 

I think in the compo I would stick to TBXL as it's IF...THEN...ELSE...ENDIF, DO...LOOP make it easier to squeeze more into a single line.

Also it is possible to compile the program later and get a substantial speed boost.

 

Best,

 

pirx



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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:12 AM

I can't tell from the wording of your post if the bugs are or are not in 2.60-test 33.  If they are, did you report them?

 

Bob

Oh, inded, the 2.60-test33 version has the buggies I have noticed fixed beautifully! 

I think in the compo I would stick to TBXL as it's IF...THEN...ELSE...ENDIF, DO...LOOP make it easier to squeeze more into a single line.

Also it is possible to compile the program later and get a substantial speed boost.

 

Best,

 

pirx



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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:50 AM

Re-reading your post I think you are saying the bugs are gone now so that's good.  As to the missing IF Then Else etc.  I know he was keeping the size of Altirra Basic under 8kb, and he did add a few new commands but there's no room to add any others unfortunately. Also he says it is possible to compile Altirra basic with one of the available Basic compilers, but I don't think you'll reach the speed of Turbo basic compiled. 

 

Bob



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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:05 PM

Oh yes, bugs I have noticed are gone for good [:

 

I do understand Altirra Basic is first of all a replacement of the dubious legal status Atari Basic ROM and is more than perfect in this! As always, kudos to Avery.

 

Compilation is indeed possible, but only when the program is fully Atari Basic compatible. 

 

Best,

 

pirx



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Posted Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:07 PM

I was just playing the disk from last year, and I am wondering: How come my "catch" game has multicolored lines? When I uploaded it, the whole screen was pink. I hope that won't happen again this year with my 2015 entry.

the left picture is original and the right picture is how it appears on the mutli-game disk.

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#361 cliffh OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:56 AM

That happened to my game Nimx too, and I guess to all the games that use the default graphics mode, but it was corrected in the final release - so all is well.

 

The final release (NOMAM14_final2.atr) is here:  http://atariage.com/...2014/?p=2981394


Edited by cliffh, Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:01 AM.


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Posted Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:10 PM

It was my fault. I messed it up with my menu program. In final2 I corrected this bug in my program.

Of course the judges voted the right version of your games.



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Posted Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:58 PM

OK, downloaded the fixed version. It looks ok now.



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Posted Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:37 PM

I don't know how amazon can make such a low price for the tenliners book 2014 - only $4.40. Probably is this the reason why 63 Atari lovers in the UK and the US bought it? :-o 







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