CGQuarterly Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I have the standard version of both and have no complaints. You and I definitely see eye-to-eye on save states. That I can tell, the regular Everdrive MD plays every Genesis/MD game. The Super Everdrive is not compatible with every game. I bought the version of that that includes the DSP-1 chip, so it is compatible with a few more games. Not sure how much more compatible the SD2SNES is, but it sure is a lot more expensive. I would just check a compatibility list for the Super Everdrive before making your purchase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Sounds good, that's what I'll do. I hear that games with the more exotic chips aren't supported, but I can always pick those up on the cheap somewhere...I read Starfox wasn't supported, but I'll manage to find it. I always like to have hardware of the titles I really, REALLY like. And multicarts always make me pick more carts up when I find games I really, REALLY like...happened a lot with the VCS, that's for sure (thank you AA Store!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 If you get a Super Everdrive with the DSP-1 in it, the cart is compatible with the majority of the system's library. I can't vouch for the SD2SNES, but with the Super Everdrive I have personally run into few compatibility issues outside of the obvious ones (Super FX games, etc). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Super Everdrive v2 features: Max. ROM size up to 7Mbyte Return to menu after reset SRAM auto backup on SD card Supported SD/MMC up to 32GB FAT16 and FAT32 are supported GameGenie cheat codes Simple menu Connection to PC and any additional software is not require USB port for developers (optional) That's the specs on the V2 version, I see no mention of DSP-1, but it's under the implemented list for the SD2SNES. I'm not sure if there's different versions of the Super Everdrive, but I'm pretty sure this one must be 'the one'. edit: lol, nope..upon further reading it looks like a DSP-1 space is on the board but you have to solder it in yourself. Now to find a DSP-1 Edited March 23, 2014 by atarilovesyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 ..upon further reading it looks like a DSP-1 space is on the board but you have to solder it in yourself. Now to find a DSP-1 Some sellers will install the chip for you for a fee. Otherwise, I think the usual method is to get the chip off a donor cart like Pilot Wings / Super Bases Loaded 2 / Lock On / Ballz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Just picked up Super Bases Loaded 2, lol...now to buy a solder sucker ...oh, and an Everdrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Speaking of Genesis...I had no idea there was a big difference between the versions of the consoles (both versions). Has anybody seen this, and can anybody comment on the differences? I have a Genesis 2, and now I gotta admit I'm thinking about tracking down one of the version 1 consoles. Not that I think the sound is terrible, but if it's noticeably better, than I can't help but want one Anybody wanna comment?...thanks! Here's a link: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?7796-GUIDE-Telling-apart-good-Genesis-1s-and-Genesis-2s-from-bad-ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Just picked up Super Bases Loaded 2, lol...now to buy a solder sucker ...oh, and an Everdrive And the solder sucker is in hand, and SBL2 just showed up to donate its DSP1...but that's for another thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genesisguy Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 No. Those Majesco D-pads are horrible. I thought that was a given. I'm talking about an MK-1653. And mind you, I'm not saying it's terrible. It's nowhere near as bad as the Majesco. In fact, "sloppy" probably carries connotations in most peoples minds that are too strong for what I'm saying about the MK-1653. "Sloppy" should probably be reserved for a description of the Majesco pad. Nevertheless, the D-pad on the MK-1653 is imprecise enough to be noticeable and annoying. I especially have problems with it in the Street Fighter games. It's the primary reason I prefer the SNES versions of those games. Right... because shoulder buttons work so much more fluidly I'm yet to come across a MK-1653 (in good shape) that has an "imprecise" D-pad. As soon as said SNES I knew why you had an issue with the MK-1653. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Speaking of Genesis...I had no idea there was a big difference between the versions of the consoles (both versions). Has anybody seen this, and can anybody comment on the differences? I have a Genesis 2, and now I gotta admit I'm thinking about tracking down one of the version 1 consoles. Not that I think the sound is terrible, but if it's noticeably better, than I can't help but want one Anybody wanna comment?...thanks! Here's a link: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?7796-GUIDE-Telling-apart-good-Genesis-1s-and-Genesis-2s-from-bad-ones Anybody seen this last link?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Speaking of Genesis...I had no idea there was a big difference between the versions of the consoles (both versions). Has anybody seen this, and can anybody comment on the differences? I have a Genesis 2, and now I gotta admit I'm thinking about tracking down one of the version 1 consoles. Not that I think the sound is terrible, but if it's noticeably better, than I can't help but want one Anybody wanna comment?...thanks! Here's a link: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?7796-GUIDE-Telling-apart-good-Genesis-1s-and-Genesis-2s-from-bad-ones Yeah I have a bunch of Mega Drive consoles, 4 Model 1's and 2 Model 2's (1 PAL MD, 1 Japanese MD, 2x Genesis) and 2 PAL Mega Drive 2's. None of my model 1's are the VA7 model so I can't comment on that, but I heard it sounds about the same as the model 2's. 3 of my Model 1's are the "High Definition Graphics" models and my PAL Mega Drive 1 doesn't say "High Definition Graphics" but has a VA6.8 board so still has the original sound circuitry which is also found in the "High definition" models. There is a huge difference (In my opinion) between the Model 1's and Model 2's, (Both of my model 2's are the known bad sounding ones... VA0 and VA1.8 ), there is less bass on the model 2's, where the model 1's all put out clean heavy bass, the Model 2's output a distorted sound, it is noticable on games like Streets of Rage, instead of having punchy bass, it sounds distorted on the beat portions of the tracks. The sound on the model 2's is also more muffled in general, sound effects and voices sound less clear on the model 2's. I'm tempted to do a comparison of a few songs on the consoles to put on YouTube actually as there's not many decent comparisons on there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) Well, the OCD in me just picked up a model 1 Genesis...it looked to be in great shape, and I'm ok with having a back-up. It's got the 'high definition graphics' stamp on it, but apparently there's even variants of THOSE, lol. The model 1 I have has the shorter serial number, but my question is... Why does the version 2 have worse sound, yet it offers stereo? From the link, the model 1 only puts out mono from the RF output...you only get stereo using the headphones. So, the version 2 got rid of the headphone jack, and has stereo capability out the back ports, BUT...has issues overall with sound quality (depending on the model). Who knew it would be so complicated But honestly, it's kinda fun in a way. Hell, I'm even considering tracking down an RGB monitor, but I hope I don't I'm picking up my model 2 in about a month so I guess I'll get to do a comparison test. If the later model 1's only have different sound quality, then why did Sega remove the "high res graphics" stamp?...from what I read, it seems like the graphics are the same, only the sound is different (I'm probably wrong on this, but I didn't want to wade through the 100 page post ) And this is also the first I've heard about dry capacitor issues on a console...I've heard about it for Vectrex, but nothing in the modern era. I wonder how much work that would be to track down all the caps, and replace. Probably...a lot And talk about cracking open a can of worms: now I've got it all confused, with Composite vs Component vs S-Video vs RGB I really had no clear knowledge of the differences, or what systems put out what...as far as I can tell, the Genesis has composite (like the NES), the SNES has S-Video (but no RGB), and the Wii has Component (but no HDMI) maddening, lol!...my nerd rage is raging If Genesis can't do S-Video, why do most of the AV composite cables I see on ebay have an S-Video jack? I guess if you've modded your Genny? Sounds like a lot of work, but the system puts out RGB natively...I think that only monitors back in the day had that jack, I haven't seen one on any of my tv sets over the years. Goodtimes Edited April 4, 2014 by atarilovesyou 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Right... because shoulder buttons work so much more fluidly I'm yet to come across a MK-1653 (in good shape) that has an "imprecise" D-pad. As soon as said SNES I knew why you had an issue with the MK-1653. Right... because I can't dislike the Genesis D-pad unless I'm some sort of SNES fanboi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Well, I think the Super Nintendo having better graphics in a few ways probably had something to do with them removing the "High Definition Graphics" stamp lol. Anyway all of the consoles with the "High Definition Graphics" stamp all have good audio (unless said console has bad capacitors anyway...), The consoles with the shorter FCC ID on them are the newer "High Definition" consoles which do have the TMSS lock out system (Which doesn't really do much except break a couple of old games and display a license screen at boot up), the models with the longer FCC ID don't have TMSS and boot right in to the game without displaying the "Licensed by Sega" screen. I only have one of these older consoles with the shorter FCC ID and it's the only one of my MD/Genesis consoles which has bad capacitors, so I think the pre-TMSS (VA5 motherboard and earlier) consoles are more prone to it. Said Genesis has motherboard VA3. My jap MD has motherboard model VA5, my PAL MD has VA6.8 and my other Genesis has VA6, this Genesis would be the same model as yours as it says "High Definition Graphics" but has the shorter FCC ID, your Genesis is guarenteed to have motherboard VA6 if it has the shorter FCC ID and the "Licensed by Sega" text when you turn it on. All of my consoles except for the older VA3 all work perfectly fine. The console needs to be modded to get S-Video or Component out of it, I live in the UK though so I just pull pure RGB from my consoles via SCART cable and the picture looks great on that. My SCART cable gets audio from the headphone jack as well, so I get stereo sound out of my Model 1 consoles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 If Genesis can't do S-Video, why do most of the AV composite cables I see on ebay have an S-Video jack? I don't know what cables you're looking at, but if it's a Genesis-specific cable, then it does not have S-video. Maybe you're just looking at generic RCA & S-Vid A/V cables? I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 If Genesis can't do S-Video, why do most of the AV composite cables I see on ebay have an S-Video jack? You're talking about the cable that is used on the Genesis 2, 3, Nomad, CDX and 32X. The Genesis Model 1 uses a fatter DIN connector by default. The other models use a connector that looks like S-Video, but it is not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhomaios Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 You're talking about the cable that is used on the Genesis 2, 3, Nomad, CDX and 32X. The Genesis Model 1 uses a fatter DIN connector by default. The other models use a connector that looks like S-Video, but it is not. Yep: That's not S-video, that's both ends of the same cable, AV on the bottom, Genesis composite output on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Just uploaded this for a comparison: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks for the help, guys. I made the mistake of looking at both ends of the cable, d'oh! So now I have an AV cable for my model 2, but I'm going to have to track down another for my model 1. It'll be interesting to see how the two differ in sound and video. One last question: those who have an Everdrive for their Genny, I've read that it also allows you to play SMS roms without the Master System Module thing. Is that true? If so...sweeeet. I might have to eventually track down a Sega CD as well...but then I'll need a 32X...man, I should just stop. Now (and now I'm tracking down a Turbografx,16, just to have the entire 16 bit era in one entertainment centre!...gah!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks for the help, guys. I made the mistake of looking at both ends of the cable, d'oh! So now I have an AV cable for my model 2, but I'm going to have to track down another for my model 1. It'll be interesting to see how the two differ in sound and video. One last question: those who have an Everdrive for their Genny, I've read that it also allows you to play SMS roms without the Master System Module thing. Is that true? If so...sweeeet. I might have to eventually track down a Sega CD as well...but then I'll need a 32X...man, I should just stop. Now (and now I'm tracking down a Turbografx,16, just to have the entire 16 bit era in one entertainment centre!...gah!) YEP SMS compatibility is built into the Genny (the official adapter is nothing more than a pass-thru for the cart slot) and if you get or have a 32x you can play those also! You are gonna love the Everdrive on Genesis. Here are some demonstration vids I did some time ago (Go about 4 minutes in on this first video to see the actual play if you wanna skip my intro and yapping) !!! BE WARNED OVERLY LOUD INTROS ON THESE, I ONLY STARTED LOWERING THE VOLUME ON IT IN LATER VIDEOS !!!!! Everdrive Deluxe Gameplay Demonstration 1. 32x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7bCVFc1LY&noredirect=1 Everdrive Deluxe Gameplay Demonstration 2 MASTER SYSTEM! http://youtu.be/KW-nIhpt2nw Everdrive Deluxe Gameplay Demonstration 3 More Genesis! http://youtu.be/kLyD3C13tbg Everdrive Deluxe Gameplay Demonstration 4 More 32x. http://youtu.be/MV7GjwWa5zQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) If the Everdrive can play SMS games on a stock Genesis... is pausing no longer an option or does the Everdrive map it to a D-Pad button or what? And I guess you still gotta use original SMS pads with certain games like Carmen Sandiego and Alien Syndrome as well, tho I'd love a workaround for that! Edited April 5, 2014 by Torr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariORdead Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Either the Snes or Megadrive are a great option. neither are really better than the other, just different. Both great machines, my personal preference lies slightly on the Snes side, but you can't really go wrong with either machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 If the Everdrive can play SMS games on a stock Genesis... is pausing no longer an option or does the Everdrive map it to a D-Pad button or what? And I guess you still gotta use original SMS pads with certain games like Carmen Sandiego and Alien Syndrome as well, tho I'd love a workaround for that! There is a SMS pause button on the everdrive itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarilovesyou Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Luck smiled on me! It turns out the Four Play I ordered off ebay is the second revision, so that it should work fine with the EA games (the only reason I picked up a multitap for the Genny!). My new six buttons also arrived, and while they do feel slightly different than than the original six buttons (these are the ones with the built in rapid fire), the pads feel fine. Now I just gotta wait for the Genesis to arrive to test it all out PS: I've never encountered many problems with the cart slot on the Genesis...but I guess cleaning it shouldn't be any more demanding than the NES or SNES (unless you have to desolder it from the board?). Does anybody have any advice, or should it not really be necessary? With these top loader systems, I find that just cleaning them carefully from the outside (high conc. rubbing alcohol and dustless wipes) seems to be fine for the most part. Any advice? Edited April 9, 2014 by atarilovesyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karokoenig Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 With these top loader systems, I find that just cleaning them carefully from the outside (high conc. rubbing alcohol and dustless wipes) seems to be fine for the most part. Any advice? Sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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