S1500 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Well-made video. Love the fact they used the original keyboard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Nicely done indeed. For all practical purposes this is will become a full fledged TI with emulation on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Nicely done indeed. For all practical purposes this is will become a full fledged TI with emulation on board. Hmmm.... 1. Take out the blue lights. 2. Put a cartridge port connector in so it works with real TI Cartridges. 3. Make it ONLY emulate a TI. ...then maybe you've got something. Gazoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Will this qualify as "real iron"? Or somewhat closer to it than a mere emulation? I know some of you have more sympathy towards the real hardware, but eventually, in my view, this looks a bit like a body/soul discussion. - If the emulation behaves in a way virtually indistinguishable from the real hardware, does it make sense to make a distinction? - How much change or enhancement can be applied to the real hardware before it ceases to be TI computer? Edited July 27, 2014 by mizapf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hmmm.... 1. Take out the blue lights. 2. Put a cartridge port connector in so it works with real TI Cartridges. 3. Make it ONLY emulate a TI. ...then maybe you've got something. Gazoo I think that's too strict of a definition IMHO. I have to agree with mizapf here that in the end it is a philosophical question. The clincher in my book is the fact that the emulation resides in a real TI case and they are using a real TI keyboard. These 2 items I think are essential to conveying the true feel of a machine. I'm not particularly wedded to the cartridge port myself. As for the blue lights, one could add them to a real TI and make it snazzy (I might actually do it ) without taking anything away from the machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yes. Take out the horrid blue LEDs. But, having it emulate a Commodore 64 would be a hoot. Other than that, I like the idea of the cartridge port, though not a necessity it will make it much more "real." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Will this qualify as "real iron"? Or somewhat closer to it than a mere emulation? I know some of you have more sympathy towards the real hardware, but eventually, in my view, this looks a bit like a body/soul discussion. - If the emulation behaves in a way virtually indistinguishable from the real hardware, does it make sense to make a distinction? - How much change or enhancement can be applied to the real hardware before it ceases to be TI computer? Quite esoteric, nicely said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'll make a confession: I wanted to gut a PEB, and make a full-fledged PC case out of it. An optical drive would have fit just fine in the existing drive bay. Instead, I sold the whole setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'll make a confession: I wanted to gut a PEB, and make a full-fledged PC case out of it. An optical drive would have fit just fine in the existing drive bay. Instead, I sold the whole setup. Your sins are forgiven my son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary from OPA Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) What a horrible thing, destroy a nice TI99 working system to turn it into something that DOES NOT EVEN emulate a TI99, as they using RetroPie and it DOES NOT SUPPORT the TI99 system: Supported systems/emulatorsVersion 1.9 of the RetroPie SD-card includes emulators for the following systems: Amiga (UAE4All) Apple II (LinApple) Apple Macintosh (Basilisk II) Armstrad CPC (CPC4RPi) Arcade (PiFBA, Mame4All-RPi) Atari 800 Atari 2600 (RetroArch) Atari ST/STE/TT/Falcon C64 (VICE) CaveStory (NXEngine) Doom (RetroArch) Duke Nukem 3D Final Burn Alpha (RetroArch) Game Boy Advance (gpSP) Game Boy Color (RetroArch) Game Gear (Osmose) Intellivision (RetroArch) MAME (RetroArch) MAME (AdvMAME) NeoGeo (GnGeo) NeoGeo (Genesis-GX, RetroArch) Sega Master System (Osmose) Sega Megadrive/Genesis (DGEN, Picodrive) Sega Mega-CD (Picodrive) Sega 32X (Picodrive) Nintendo Entertainment System (RetroArch) N64 (Mupen64Plus-RPi) PC Engine / Turbo Grafx 16 (RetroArch) Playstation 1 (RetroArch) ScummVM Super Nintendo Entertainment System (RetroArch, PiSNES, SNES-Rpi) Sinclair ZX Spectrum (Fuse) PC / x86 (rpix86) Z Machine emulator (Frotz) If you would like to have another emulator supported by RetroPie, feel free to post it! So what was the point of all this hacking, all these other systems get a TI99 keyboard, but you can't play or run any TI99 stuff? Crazy, nice video but sad to see a TI99 console hacked apart and turned into Frankenstein Monster.. They even destoried a Speech Box just to use it for SdCard slot, they could had used the cartridge port door for that instead! Edited July 27, 2014 by Gary from OPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 They even destoried a Speech Box just to use it for SdCard slot, they could had used the cartridge port door for that instead! Isn't that what the original intended feature of the speech module was? You open the door & put in expansion modules, not unlike the Speak & Spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 What a horrible thing, destroy a nice TI99 working system to turn it into something that DOES NOT EVEN emulate a TI99, as they using RetroPie and it DOES NOT SUPPORT the TI99 system: So what was the point of all this hacking, all these other systems get a TI99 keyboard, but you can't play or run any TI99 stuff? You also see that none of the emulations are contributed by MESS (only MAME), so the reason may be that MESS has too high hardware requirements that the Raspi cannot deliver. Maybe another emulation like Classic99 (via wine) would have made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You also see that none of the emulations are contributed by MESS (only MAME), so the reason may be that MESS has too high hardware requirements that the Raspi cannot deliver. Maybe another emulation like Classic99 (via wine) would have made it. no wine on a pi.. wine requires an intel proc.. probably could get dosbox working on it and run v9t9 or pc99 on it though.. on my list for things to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary from OPA Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) no wine on a pi.. wine requires an intel proc.. probably could get dosbox working on it and run v9t9 or pc99 on it though.. on my list for things to do Yeah, dosbox might be an answer to the problem, either that or you own boot-os designed from ground-up to run your emulator, the problem is there not much info on broadcom graphics chip, leaving you in dark in writing your own video driver. I recently installed dosbox turbo on my android tablet which is 7" and has a nice small keyboard in the carrying case, and ave v9t9 running on it, very nice and smooth enough to run most things, so now I got a mobile TI99, all tho the battery drains in one hour from all heavy cpu usage to make it happen. I should post up how-to and youtube video for others with android tablets, there is one already out there similar using asus transformer machine i thnk, i remember watching it recently. Edited July 27, 2014 by Gary from OPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yeah, dosbox might be an answer to the problem, either that or you own boot-os designed from ground-up to run your emulator, the problem is there not much info on broadcom graphics chip, leaving you in dark in writing your own video driver. I recently installed dosbox turbo on my android tablet which is 7" and has a nice small keyboard in the carrying case, and ave v9t9 running on it, very nice and smooth enough to run most things, so now I got a mobile TI99, all tho the battery drains in one hour from all heavy cpu usage to make it happen. I should post up how-to and youtube video for others with android tablets, there is one already out there similar using asus transformer machine i thnk, i remember watching it recently. I have successfully run v9t9 under Dosbox on my Nexus 7 android tablet and it works great, albeit a tad slower than normal. Coupled with a small external bluetooth keyboard, it's a great portable set up as you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So what was the point of all this hacking, all these other systems get a TI99 keyboard, but you can't play or run any TI99 stuff? Maybe BAIT to get someone to get off their butt and add TI-emulation to the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 It does not even emulate a TI-99/4A? Okay, now that is phuqtarded. Seriously -- the short-comings of the TI keyboard alone versus other systems would be enough to ruin that experience. So you can use a USB keyboard with the Pi... big whoop... why even bother to put it in a TI. Much better to put it in a Commodore 64C clam shell, or a dead Atari 800XL (tons of those around,) etc. ad naseum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Bah, I already did this with a full-featured PC, it ran Windows and emulation, and the TI keyboard was converted into a standard PS/2 keyboard (I got the giggles running the BIOS setup screens with FCTN E/S/D/X). I unfortunately tried to bring it back online just a month ago and it seems the motherboard bit it somewhere in the last couple of moves... couldn't make it boot. :/ Still: http://harmlesslion.com/gtwo/v/Projects/ti99pc2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vorticon Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 It does not even emulate a TI-99/4A? Okay, now that is phuqtarded. Seriously -- the short-comings of the TI keyboard alone versus other systems would be enough to ruin that experience. So you can use a USB keyboard with the Pi... big whoop... why even bother to put it in a TI. Much better to put it in a Commodore 64C clam shell, or a dead Atari 800XL (tons of those around,) etc. ad naseum. Yeah, I also thought the TI was emulated. Bummer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnbvcxz Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 A few months ago, I read about a CPC emulator running on the RPi it was not as fast as a real CPC so what's the point, the TI may be slow but I doubt that the RPi could emulate it at full speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestyx Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I was thinking the same thing as OLD CS1 when it comes to the keyboard. And the fact that Retro Pie doesn't have a TI emulator made me wonder why they did this in the first place. As for the distro itself, I see that there is an Amiga emulator for it, in addition to some later generation video game systems. From what I'm seeing online, the newer the system, the slower it runs, at least at this point. Trying to figure out why older computers would run slower than, say, a SNES. More parts to emulate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I was thinking the same thing as OLD CS1 when it comes to the keyboard. And the fact that Retro Pie doesn't have a TI emulator made me wonder why they did this in the first place. As for the distro itself, I see that there is an Amiga emulator for it, in addition to some later generation video game systems. From what I'm seeing online, the newer the system, the slower it runs, at least at this point. Trying to figure out why older computers would run slower than, say, a SNES. More parts to emulate? More parts, more complex circuitry, far more complex chips. There is a lot of work involved. More direct to Amiga emulation, I would rather go for a MiniMig than a Retro Pi. At least it is designed by an Amigoid and based on real hardware: it has a real 68000 on the board as well as an FPGA to emulate the custom chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsy Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The PI is just a linux box, so I don't see why you can't compile MESS on it, and run a 4A in MESS in full-screen mode. Ta da... Instant TI on modern hardware in an original case. "I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The PI is just a linux box, so I don't see why you can't compile MESS on it, and run a 4A in MESS in full-screen mode. Ta da... Instant TI on modern hardware in an original case. A year ago I started a discussion on the MESS forum http://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90230&page=1 Maybe the situation got a bit better over time; haven't tried yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastik Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The PI is just a linux box, so I don't see why you can't compile MESS on it, and run a 4A in MESS in full-screen mode. Ta da... Instant TI on modern hardware in an original case. "I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!" The robocop reference put a smile on my face.Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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