matosimi Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) hi, i've seen one demo from group zelax (i believe it is correct name of group)... i think it should be not older than 5 years... The only significant effect i remember there was goraud shaded (gtia) object rotating, but in very uncommon way: - it was figure of soldier or knight - there was pmg light (sun) circulating around gtia object - object threw shadow according to sun's position Do you know name of this demo? I would like to watch it again... thanks in advance Martin Edited December 20, 2014 by matosimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Reditus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matosimi Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Reditus wow, that was quick! thanks emkay, uff this demo is 10 years old already... but pure evil. for those who are interested: http://a8.fandal.cz/detail.php?files_id=3652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 +10 points for the effects, -100 points for a demo that would work perfectly fine in NTSC except for a bulls--t "upgrade to PAL" check at the beginning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Avery, you potty mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matosimi Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 phaeron, check this: reditus_ntsc_altstate.zip it has some glitches, but nothing that could not be fixed... but it is always very hard to make production ntsc compatible, i.e, making Ridiculous Reality ntsc compatible was so painful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 wow, that was quick! thanks emkay, uff this demo is 10 years old already... but pure evil. Reditus bumps everything on the graphical side ... But Maze is my favorite. The style of "3D Presentation" is just WOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matosimi Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Reditus bumps everything on the graphical side ... But Maze is my favorite. The style of "3D Presentation" is just WOW. i've never seen Maze before... quite nice, but numen was more advanced in terms of 3d presentation. Maze looks like it was quite fast job, like old effects fabricated together... (but maybe im wrong, im not demo coder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirx Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 For me Reditus was significant because of soft synthesized C64 SID sound during the final scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 +10 points for the effects, -100 points for a demo that would work perfectly fine in NTSC except for a bulls--t "upgrade to PAL" check at the beginning. I know I've said this before, but... I wish game and demo coders would quit this crap. My NTSC 800 has a PAL ANTIC chip and would most likely run any PAL game/demo thrown at it, except it still detects as an NTSC machine. Just let the program try to run... if it crashes, so be it. Quit the 'smarter than thou' software checks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I don't have a problem with demos that have problems in NTSC and check for that, but I have a problem with the suggestion that PAL is an "upgrade" from NTSC. Several demos use this text and it's rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Agreed, it is rude... and the only problem I have with a PAL/NTSC check is that it doesn't work properly on a modified machine like mine, that will run PAL-specific software just fine. There must be a way to detect which ANTIC is present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 and then there is the issue... is anything truely not able to be made ntsc compliant... most things when people have been challenged in the past or have taunted by being told they can't do it have managed to make stuff work just fine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I don't have a problem with demos that have problems in NTSC and check for that, but I have a problem with the suggestion that PAL is an "upgrade" from NTSC. Several demos use this text and it's rude. I always found it humorous and meant in jest. If you think about it, it's true. The PAL machines can do more calculations in VBI so they are a bit more powerful. I'm just glad I have a real PAL machine alongside my other NTSC machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I always was told it just shifts where things must fall, to avoid nesting...but should work out either way... the test is there to allow for the code to modify timing or if used in boot section of disk.. to load the appropriately coded program... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Westphal Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Is anyone ever Going to NTSC-ize Numen and Prototype? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Feel free to do... Source code is at numen.scene.pl And pal more cycles available so in general difficult to adapt pal high end demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Feel free to do... Source code is at numen.scene.pl And pal more cycles available so in general difficult to adapt pal high end demos. It helps to use the stock hardware, instead of the "fake" double Pokey.... means : use the half VBI time. It also could help, NOT to wait for the full scene to be rendered. . Make it "C64" like : Many demos create the movement in a line shifted method. It makes it look working at the double speed and looks like interlace. As "interlace" is only interfering" static pictures, moving pictures get more fluent to the eyes.. So the demo runs fine in 50Hz and shows some tearing in 60Hz .... would be better than showing nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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