Boxed Atari VCS Heavy Sixer/Q*Bert's Qubes for ColecoVision

[phattyboombatty]

Got some HTF collectables listed right now:

 

Atari Video Computer System, Model CX-2600 (1977 Chess Piece Box). Mint console.

 

Q*Bert's Qubes MIB for ColecoVision.

 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2015 by phattyboombatty

[slab0meat]

I'm watching both... good luck with the sales.. maybe I'll get one.

[Shawn]

I'm watching both... good luck with the sales.. maybe I'll get one.

 

If your willing to spend $500 on a boxed sixer I think you will find many people knocking on your door with opportunities for you to buy and maybe even save some money at the same time.

[slab0meat]

Watching both and maybe getting one does not necessarily equate to "willing to spend $500 on a boxed sixer" but point taken. Maybe "one" is Qubes?

 

 

Anyway, I'm done cluttering the thread. Good luck.

[Shawn]

Watching both and maybe getting one does not necessarily equate to "willing to spend $500 on a boxed sixer" but point taken. Maybe "one" is Qubes?

 

 

Anyway, I'm done cluttering the thread. Good luck.

 

Ya, and maybe one is the atari. In reality I bet you don't go for either after a post like that.

[slab0meat]

Why pull me back in?

 

 

I've bid on several Qubes in the past and haven't won one. In reality, you can keep assuming whatever you like. Just make sure to keep using emoticons, perhaps several more, for effect.

[ccc---]

Any chance you would ship Q*bert to Europe?

[phattyboombatty]

Any chance you would ship Q*bert to Europe?

 

 

Sure, as long as you have a decent feedback rating and all that.

[Shawn]

Congrats on getting a bid on your sixer! That's a great price to sell for even if it doesn't go any higher.

[peter2014]

phattyboombatty sold the game on eBay to me and then he cancelled the auction simply cause he got less money then he thought he would get for this game. So simply be warned of this eBay seller. I already opened a case at eBay USA against him. All he did was using a "hole" at eBay USA which allow you that one side could simply break a valid sellers contract and the other side couldnt do anything at all against it. This isnt possible anywhere else worldwide at eBay and its simply against the law. Therefor also at the USA. there was already some similar case in Germany where it was made clear that eBay isnt a game, but its building up valid contracts which you cant break. Thats why eBay adopted there cancelled auctions worldwide except for the USA. There any seller still could cancel an auction when he doesnt like the outcome. And the buyer cant do anything at all against it.

[Shawn]

Got some HTF collectables listed right now:

 

Atari Video Computer System, Model CX-2600 (1977 Chess Piece Box). Mint console.

 

Q*Bert's Qubes MIB for ColecoVision.

 

 

 

 

phattyboombatty sold the game on eBay to me and then he cancelled the auction simply cause he got less money then he thought he would get for this game. So simply be warned of this eBay seller. I already opened a case at eBay USA against him. All he did was using a "hole" at eBay USA which allow you that one side could simply break a valid sellers contract and the other side couldnt do anything at all against it. This isnt possible anywhere else worldwide at eBay and its simply against the law. Therefor also at the USA. there was already some similar case in Germany where it was made clear that eBay isnt a game, but its building up valid contracts which you cant break. Thats why eBay adopted there cancelled auctions worldwide except for the USA. There any seller still could cancel an auction when he doesnt like the outcome. And the buyer cant do anything at all against it.

 

Wow if this is true the OP has some explaining to do here.

[peter2014]

Shawn, it happened that way. the official reason was, that he doesnt ship it outside the USA. But ….

 

"Any chance you would ship Q*bert to Europe?

Sure, as long as you have a decent feedback rating and all that."

As quoted from this board. And he allowed international biders to be part of the auction. And I even gave him the advice not to use First Class international from USPS for shipping, cause that service is shit. It mentions that it includes tracking, but it only tracks to the US border and then there is no tracking anymore at all. So its for both, seller and buyer, completely worthless. International priority costs a little more, but offers full tracking. And I was indeed willing to pay the extra costs for International priority. Yet it wasnt mentioned from his side that he dont like to ship outside of the USA (it was just a question which shipping service to use), before I got the message from eBay that the auction is cancelled. And there is nothing you could to against it from the buyers side. eBay Europe doesnt allow such fraud anymore. but eBay USA still does. And BTW If shipping within the USA really would have been the problem, then I would have rent a PO box within the states and everything would have been fine (how else should an auction like this be handled where he was just willing to send within the USA, but allows worldwide biders). But instead … he simply thought to get way more money at eBay for this game. But thats the nature of auctions: You dont know exactly what you will get. If he wants more then US $ 177 then he should started the auction way higher.

[Shawn]

 

Shawn, it happened that way. the official reason was, that he doesnt ship it outside the USA. But ….

 

"Any chance you would ship Q*bert to Europe?

Sure, as long as you have a decent feedback rating and all that."

As quoted from this board. And he allowed international biders to be part of the auction. And I even gave him the advice not to use First Class international from USPS for shipping, cause that service is shit. It mentions that it includes tracking, but it only tracks to the US border and then there is no tracking anymore at all. So its for both, seller and buyer, completely worthless. International priority costs a little more, but offers full tracking. And I was indeed willing to pay the extra costs for International priority. Yet it wasnt mentioned from his side that he dont like to ship outside of the USA (it was just a question which shipping service to use), before I got the message from eBay that the auction is cancelled. And there is nothing you could to against it from the buyers side. eBay Europe doesnt allow such fraud anymore. but eBay USA still does. And BTW If shipping within the USA really would have been the problem, then I would have rent a PO box within the states and everything would have been fine (how else should an auction like this be handled where he was just willing to send within the USA, but allows worldwide biders). But instead … he simply thought to get way more money at eBay for this game. But thats the nature of auctions: You dont know exactly what you will get. If he wants more then US $ 177 then he should started the auction way higher.

 

 

I'm very sorry that happened to you. Rest assured that is not the norm for 99.9 percent of the members here on AtariAge to do something like that. Myself, when something goes for less than expected you suck it up and deal with it cause obviously my expectations of the sale price where not realistic or I just hit a fluke. That's what can happen with auctions. You don't always get top dollar and other times you get more than something is worth. You gotta be willing to take the good with the bad. People who don't just suck. Hopefully you can find another one for a fair price.

 

If you make a want thread here on AtariAge in the wanted section of the marketplace you might be surprised and someone could sell you one there for roughly what you bid. $175 is a fair price as that open auction just proved.

[+stupus]

Peter, based on everything you have told us here I personally don't see that phatty did anything wrong or unreasonable.

His auctions clearly show that shipping to the USA is the only choice for shipping location.

So if you found this thread then on a private forum where ccc--- asked phatty if it was OK for HIM to bid on the auction, and then you just decided for yourself that this means phatty will ship to anyone outside the usa....well that is your mistake and that's on you.

ccc--- is a member at AA and well known in the classic game community, if phatty gives him the ok to bid you can't seriously think this automatically applies to the rest of the world???

 

Instead of finding this thread you should have sent him a message prior to the auction end to see if it was OK for you to bid on his auction.

You make no indication you did this, had you done that and he said yes, then I would have a problem with this. But since you didn't do that it really is you that caused the problem.

I mean you were not even a member here during the auction....you joined 2 days ago?

I constantly buy things from other countries that don't include the usa as a shipping option. I always message the seller and make sure they are fine to ship to me before I bid/buy. I don't just assume anything and try to force them to ship to me....

 

I really doubt the end price was his problem, it's not a bad price, I feel it was you were outside the usa and didn't work this out with him prior.

[peter2014]

Peter, based on everything you have told us here I personally don't see that phatty did anything wrong or unreasonable.

His auctions clearly show that shipping to the USA is the only choice for shipping location.

So if you found this thread then on a private forum where ccc--- asked phatty if it was OK for HIM to bid on the auction, and then you just decided for yourself that this means phatty will ship to anyone outside the usa....well that is your mistake and that's on you.

ccc--- is a member at AA and well known in the classic game community, if phatty gives him the ok to bid you can't seriously think this automatically applies to the rest of the world???

 

Instead of finding this thread you should have sent him a message prior to the auction end to see if it was OK for you to bid on his auction.

You make no indication you did this, had you done that and he said yes, then I would have a problem with this. But since you didn't do that it really is you that caused the problem.

I mean you were not even a member here during the auction....you joined 2 days ago?

I constantly buy things from other countries that don't include the usa as a shipping option. I always message the seller and make sure they are fine to ship to me before I bid/buy. I don't just assume anything and try to force them to ship to me....

 

I really doubt the end price was his problem, it's not a bad price, I feel it was you were outside the usa and didn't work this out with him prior.

 

Stupus, its not his decision if he likes offers or not. If the offers are allowed then they are valid. This isnt a computer game. Its a simple contract. And he doesnt had any problems with shipping it to Europe. Even at this thread he stated clearly on the question "Any chance you would ship Q*bert to Europe?" with a simple "Sure". So the situation is simple: The auction is open for international bidders and he prefers national shipping. There is no need at all for any messages directly to the seller, cause the parameters are set. When the auction ended I offered him that he could send it to europe. There wasnt any problem with that. He meant that he is away for 10 days and then the shipping will be done. No mentioning at all that he is going to send it exclusively national (which would have been fine, cause its stated at the auction. I have relatives at the states or I would have simply rented a PO box). In the meantime i checked the completely tracked and insured shipping option form USPS for him. Then w/o any notice he started his fraud by cancelling the auction. And thats simply a break of a valid buyers contract which isnt legal at any western country. But … only eBay USA allows such a broken contract. Nowhere else eBay allows such an illegal behaviour (anywhere else the seller could ask the buyer for cancelling the auction. But if the buyer doesnt agree then the contract is still valid).

 

So the situation is really simple: when you open your auction for international bidders and at the same time limit shipping (to USA only) there are simply 2 options: either you allow shipping outside the USA or you ship within the USA (no problem at all by using a PO box within the USA). And no … there is no need to ask the seller at all, cause the parameters of the auction are documented and are the base for a valid buyers contract (thats what most eBay sellers and buyers forget … eBay isnt a a videogame. Its reality) . I already described the 2 options which are possible in such a scenario. phattyboombatty doesnt supported any of them and therefor simply broke a valid contract. Its his advantage that eBay USA is the only eBay platform worldwide which supports sellers which breaking given buyers contracts.

 

If he really was suspicious about international shipping (which is pure nonsense cause the priority international package from USPS is way better insured then most national shipping services) then he would mentioned "No, I dont send it internationally. Give me some national address". But that never happened and he hadnt any other legal option at any time. So its your decision to send messages to sellers when the situation is completely clear. But its not necesarry at all, cause the parameters are already set and with the first bidding they arent changeable anymore (yes, eBay USA allow changing the parameters during the auction, but thats not covered by any law. In europe there were already verdicts against sellers which for example ended auctions beside that there were valid bids).

 

And BTW It was only cause of the low price. Usually this game is appr. US $ 250 - 300. Already asked another seller and there is no chance to get it below US $ 300. I understand that its frustrating for the buyer to get a little more then half the usual amount, but noone forced him to set such a low starting offer.

 

And most important: I dont blame AtariAge at all! If there was even the slightest misunderstanding about that, then i repeat why i posted that case here: So that others are warned about this seller! Thats the only reason for my postings.

Edited March 18, 2015 by peter2014

[peter2014]

Shawn, thanks for the advice. I will test my luck by posting at the Wanted section.

[+stupus]

Peter, I am sorry this happened to you, and I agree its not his choice if he likes offers or not.

But it is his choice where he wants to ship to.

 

And what is clear to me is his auction shows the only choice for a shipping destination is the USA.

And that in this thread he gave permission, for a fellow AA user who is well known in the community, to bid on his auction...not anyone else....I see no blanket statement here that all foreign bidders are welcome...in fact quite the contrary.

 

You state yourself, if the offers are allowed they are valid, it would seem yours was not allowed so it was not valid, unless he decided to allow it.

 

And you state: "When the auction ended I offered him that he could send it to Europe."

This is exactly what you should have done prior to the auction...not right after it ended.

 

I am very confused why you would tell me it is unnecessary to contact sellers beforehand for permission to bid on their auctions, when they don't have my country selected as a shipping choice?

If they don't have my country selected as a shipping choice then that means they don't plan to ship there.

Now most times with a friendly email, and having good feedback they will decide to allow my bids, but sometimes not.

But I certainly don't just bid on every foreign auction I want and try and hold sellers hostage to sell me their items...that is their choice.

 

If you want to not ask permission beforehand and piss sellers off by bidding on auctions that are not designated with shipping to your location then you will end up with problems like this for yourself.

 

I also disagree that not wanting to ship international is pure nonsense.

If a us seller ships international, and the buyer is unhappy for any reason, the seller must refund them and refund the original postage as well as the return postage.

Which would be about $30 each way by priority insured. So a $60 loss, as compared to about $5-6 each way for domestic priority with $50 free insurance.

There is also a much higher rate for loss and damage in international mail compared to domestic mail.

So unfortunately it is much more enticing for sellers to sell their items within the usa if possible.

 

Also I disagree on your price claim. I think $177 is quite a fair price, I have seen a few go in this range recently, I got mine last year for $127.50 on ebay cib in excellent shape at auction.

 

If phatty did agree to send it to you then that is not right, but it sounds like this is all after the fact...maybe phatty will chime in.

I have always found him to be good to deal with and be fair and have nice items.

[Shawn]

Peter, I am sorry this happened to you, and I agree its not his choice if he likes offers or not.

But it is his choice where he wants to ship to.

 

 

Yes and if a bidder from a location that the seller does not ship to tries to bid it will automatically reject the bid. It says something like "We are sorry but this seller does not accept bids from (or does not ship to) X" . I've had it happen many times with folks that won't ship to Canada and only ship within the USA.

[+stupus]

I would say most of the time ebay does not completely block bids from other countries where the seller hasn't specified shipping to that bidders country.

Usually it just says the seller doesn't ship to your country or shipping can't be calculated for your country, but the buyer can still go ahead and enter a bid, especially if they log onto that countries specific ebay.

Regardless if the seller doesn't give the option to ship to your country, it's usually pretty obvious they are not planning to do so. And a quick note asking about it before hand can go along way and save a lot of hassle for both parties....just my 2 cents and what has worked great for me in the past

[peter2014]

Shawn, that happens when the seller choose "no international bidders allowed". But that didnt happen. Thats why i was able to bid or the game. And with such a scenario the seller has to offer either international shipping or, if he still insists on national shipping (which is indeed no problem at all cause its documented at the auctions site) then he has to ask for a national shipping address. Its that easy.

[peter2014]

stupus, I havent meant that your strategy isnt nice. Its nice and a good way of avoiding potential problems (also tried it that way often). But its not a necesarry step. And you could only bid on an auction as international bidder if this option is checked. In this scenario the seller checked "Only national shipping" and "International bidders allowed" (otherwise the dialogue will be displayed which Shawn already described above. Also seen that many times ) . And if he choose that options he has to act accordingly.

[peter2014]

Stupus, havent seen your earlier posting. You dont recognize the fact that "International bidders allowed" was checked. Therefor I could bid as much as I want, cause its within the contract parameters. If phatty didnt wanted international bidders, he simply could have avoided them from the beginning of the auction by choosing the according setting. Arnt things simple when you accept all given parameters?

 

And no, you wouldnt get that game anymore for that price. Rare VCS cartridges are still on the way up pricewise. You were lucky to get it that cheap. But today …. not a chance in hell .

[Shawn]

Stupus, havent seen your earlier posting. You dont recognize the fact that "International bidders allowed" was checked. Therefor I could bid as much as I want, cause its within the contract parameters. If phatty didnt wanted international bidders, he simply could have avoided them from the beginning of the auction by choosing the according setting. Arnt things simple when you accept all given parameters?

 

And no, you wouldnt get that game anymore for that price. Rare VCS cartridges are still on the way up pricewise. You were lucky to get it that cheap. But today …. not a chance in hell .

 

Good thing it's for the colecovision then eh?

[peter2014]

 

Good thing it's for the colecovision then eh?

 

In that context the term "rare" is the important one . There are strange trends on eBay. Infocom was really expensive 1-2 years ago. And today even the rare folio like Suspended or Starcross are way lower in price. On the other side: Items like LucasArts adventures or rare Parker Brothers games become more and more expensive.

[Shawn]

 

In that context the term "rare" is the important one . There are strange trends on eBay. Infocom was really expensive 1-2 years ago. And today even the rare folio like Suspended or Starcross are way lower in price. On the other side: Items like LucasArts adventures or rare Parker Brothers games become more and more expensive.

 

yes agreed.