globeron Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I was thinking about to create a comparison table for TI-99/x and Geneve 9640 emulators (after doing the UCSD-P Code Pascal card test on the different systems), but today I saw coincidentally that there was one already, but it need to be updated and include JS99er.net >>> Spreadsheet produced by and courtesy of Eric Bray (November 14, 2012)! >>> http://ti99ers.org/viewpage.php?page_id=6 Here are some others Windows/Linux- MESS/QMC2 - /4, TI-99/4A, QI, EVPC, /8, Geneve 9640.and many more- MESS/QMC2 - TI-99/8 built-in OS- V9T9 - TI-99/4A- Classic99 - TI-99/4 and TI/99/4A or QI (V2.2)====================================Android-------- Android99 (Android phone) Java-------- JS99er.net (online / webbrowser) - Rasmus- JS99er (Java 1.5) offline - Rasmus Windows-------- Ti99w (v4.4) - Fred- Win994a-TI-99/4A Simulator for Windows - Version 3.010 (2/Apr/2013)- PC99 Older emulators:(http://www.99er.net/emul.shtml)--------------- DOS (e.g. use "Dosbox 0.74") to run these systems---PC99 - DOS/WINV9T9 - DOS/WIN (TI6.0)TI-99/4A Emulator by Ton Brouwer (For the PC) Windows-------ami99- WIN Apple MacinTosh---------------MACV9T9- MAC Amiga---------------TI4Amiga- AmigaTI-99/4A Emulator by Ton Brouwer, ported by Stefan Haubenthal (For the Amiga) Linux versions--------------TI99SIM - LinuxTI-99/4A Emulator by Ton Brouwer - Linux Tomy Tutor----------The Tutti Emulator by Cameron Kaiser(For the Commodore 64, or a C64 emulator) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 OK, as we have a list for all... .... I am working on this here: TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.0.pdf ScreenShot: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Even though QMC2 is often used with MESS, I'd rather not join them to one entry. It's just one front-end, but maybe there will be better ones in the future. Me, I never use QMC2; no added value for me, as I start MESS by a bash script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMole Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Some corrections to your list, Globeron: js99er.net is actually written in javascript, not Java. Even the offline version will need a browser to run. There is v9t9j, which is written in Java though. ti99sim works on Linux, Mac and Windows. MESS works on Linux, Mac and Windows; (as does QMC2, by the way, but as Michael says we should split those out since QMC2 is only a frontend and a lot of people use MESS without it, myself included). Classic99 and v9t9 (no j), do not work on anything besides windows, so no Linux support. v9t9j, being Java based, does work on Linux and Mac. Edited July 25, 2015 by TheMole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 V9T9 was DOS, not Windows - it's listed right in the DOS section so maybe the first entry was meant to be V9T9J? (Ami99 was DOS too, but does anyone actually HAVE that anymore? I don't. For that matter, it was originally for Amiga, but I only have a video of that anymore. I don't know if it matters to record lost software.) And to echo TheMole, Classic99 is Windows only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I like MESS for emulating the more expanding systems. Has a lot more versatility than other that I have found. One of the best features I like with MESS is it's ability to map actual communications ports and use a serial device like a UDS10 that is own the PC to modem out. I have done that with MESS with Geneva 9640 emulation. I also like Classic99 as it is very easy to use. I would be nice to have some additional functionality around hardware expansion. But Classic 99 is very stable. My experience with using QMC2 on my Windows 64 bit machine has proved it to be very unstable. At least for me. QMC2 crashed on me at some point while I am using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 New list: I have added the operation-systems, but I am not sure if that is all right /EDIT: I like updates TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.21.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 ...much more corrections /Edit3: TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.23.pdf any infos and corrections welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 /EDIT4: TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.24.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 A couple updates for Classic99, based on what I see in that latest table: Writing to disk images is probably better listed as "Xper" since it is possible (so, read/xper write?). You can either configure the TI Disk Controller (DSK1-DSK3, max size 180k), or it works across the board if the software in question writes sectors, only file writes are blocked. Under CF you have Classic99 listed as read and nobody else... if you meant 400 sector disk images compatible with the CF device, yes. But it can't read CF card images today. Classic99 does NOT support HDD RAW SEC-Dump at all. (No hard drive image support, nor is it likely to come, ever ). -TI Disk CTRL - xper - it's implemented and it works but it's not exposed because it is limited to the TI disk controller limitations of DSK1-DSK3, and 180k images. -TI 32k says "w" - not sure what that means? Also... does "TI 32k" mean /any/ 32k? Classic99 doesn't emulate the initialization side-effects of the TI 32k card, which causes the issues with Turbo Pascal. It more accurately emulates a simple 8-bit 32k SRAM expansion. I don't intend to change that either, I'd like software to work with modern memory expansion options. -TI Speech Synth should still be listed as xper - it's not right by far. -Cassette seems to be listed twice. The sound columns are a bit weird these days -- PC speaker versus Soundblaster is really more of a DOS thing - modern operating systems interface to the audio hardware via drivers and often don't care what hardware is underneath. To that end none of the Windows/Linux/Mac emulators really "support" a SoundBlaster and yet they'll all work on it. Likewise for game controllers - Classic99 doesn't even /know/ if you're using a game port, USB, a hacked in parallel port interface, or what, it just asks Windows "hey, can I have a game controller #1?" I'd probably just indicate "audio support" and "game controller support (0/1/2)". Classic99 has two other older variants if you care to list them ( I don't care if they are, but you list Ami99-Win). There's also Ami99-DOS and Ami99-Amiga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Some corrections to your list, Globeron: js99er.net is actually written in javascript, not Java. Even the offline version will need a browser to run. There is v9t9j, which is written in Java though. ti99sim works on Linux, Mac and Windows. MESS works on Linux, Mac and Windows; (as does QMC2, by the way, but as Michael says we should split those out since QMC2 is only a frontend and a lot of people use MESS without it, myself included). Classic99 and v9t9 (no j), do not work on anything besides windows, so no Linux support. v9t9j, being Java based, does work on Linux and Mac. thank you! funny all the Java. Yesterday coincidentally had a reunion with all the Sun Microsystems Team from Singapore and Bangkok. Thailand from 15 years ago. I should know the difference but was doing other networking And security business. Java script for browsers. I remember J2se J2me J2ee runtime etc. For v9T9j Ed told me it is the same code both for Unix and windows I am not aware of without j. Probably missed it. I do use ti6.0 for dos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 V9T9 was DOS, not Windows - it's listed right in the DOS section so maybe the first entry was meant to be V9T9J?(Ami99 was DOS too, but does anyone actually HAVE that anymore? I don't. For that matter, it was originally for Amiga, but I only have a video of that anymore. I don't know if it matters to record lost software.)And to echo TheMole, Classic99 is Windows only. ti60 or v9t9 runs in dosbox. I used it to transfer disks to the Pc te transfer tool works wit Forth. I have my pdf how to do it. But can share once access to pc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 /EDIT4: TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.24.pdf hi Ralf. Thanks. Will look into it later! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 ti60 or v9t9 runs in dosbox. I used it to transfer disks to the Pc te transfer tool works wit Forth. I have my pdf how to do it. But can share once access to pc. Yes, but DOSBox is an emulator, I use it too. It doesn't turn V9T9 into a Windows program any more than Classic99 turns Parsec into a Windows program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 A couple updates for Classic99, based on what I see in that latest table: Writing to disk images is probably better listed as "Xper" since it is possible (so, read/xper write?). You can either configure the TI Disk Controller (DSK1-DSK3, max size 180k), or it works across the board if the software in question writes sectors, only file writes are blocked. Under CF you have Classic99 listed as read and nobody else... if you meant 400 sector disk images compatible with the CF device, yes. But it can't read CF card images today. Classic99 does NOT support HDD RAW SEC-Dump at all. (No hard drive image support, nor is it likely to come, ever ). -TI Disk CTRL - xper - it's implemented and it works but it's not exposed because it is limited to the TI disk controller limitations of DSK1-DSK3, and 180k images. -TI 32k says "w" - not sure what that means? Also... does "TI 32k" mean /any/ 32k? Classic99 doesn't emulate the initialization side-effects of the TI 32k card, which causes the issues with Turbo Pascal. It more accurately emulates a simple 8-bit 32k SRAM expansion. I don't intend to change that either, I'd like software to work with modern memory expansion options. -TI Speech Synth should still be listed as xper - it's not right by far. -Cassette seems to be listed twice. The sound columns are a bit weird these days -- PC speaker versus Soundblaster is really more of a DOS thing - modern operating systems interface to the audio hardware via drivers and often don't care what hardware is underneath. To that end none of the Windows/Linux/Mac emulators really "support" a SoundBlaster and yet they'll all work on it. Likewise for game controllers - Classic99 doesn't even /know/ if you're using a game port, USB, a hacked in parallel port interface, or what, it just asks Windows "hey, can I have a game controller #1?" I'd probably just indicate "audio support" and "game controller support (0/1/2)". Classic99 has two other older variants if you care to list them ( I don't care if they are, but you list Ami99-Win). There's also Ami99-DOS and Ami99-Amiga. Yes, all is entered, see the new version here - for the CF-format/card I added an column - the "W" at the 32k exactly means what you say (you told it to me before added as text on the bottom of the list. interimsolution - Removed one of the "cassettes" - added 2 rows for the AMI99 (sorry, not more, as I don´t know more about) - entered all other infos you gave me. at least, I hope so - played a bit around with green color. If not better, pls let me know Ralf TI-99-EMU-Compare-v1.25.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) - the "W" at the 32k exactly means what you say (you told it to me before added as text on the bottom of the list. interimsolution I see... then why does only Classic99 have the mark, then? As far as I know only MESS attempts to emulate the DRAM powerup pattern of the TI 32k? Edited July 29, 2015 by Tursi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hi Ralf, More to be edited :-) Maybe good to add the websites as well where to find all the emulators and to include more details like the other table (but honestly I think that the developers are the best to ask what is inside and what not) * TI latest version is 1983 (V2.2) which cannot handle 3rd party command cartridges (like Atari) (thus the 1981 OS version is better actually) Furthermore I believe the developers never sleep, I do not know where people get the time...:-) but I like it much ! * Classic 99 is v382 already http://www.harmlesslion.com/cgi-bin/showprog.cgi?search=classic99 * V9T9j (of Ed Swartz), latest version is 21st of July 2015: http://eswartz.github.io/emul/ (I have not tested this one, 2nd of July is the latest I saw) * Rasmus is the best to ask, js99er.net is the online version with all software installed (via ...more option) and here is the JavaScript offline version js99er-1.9.zip (for offline running it in a browser) http://atariage.com/forums/topic/224744-js99er/page-6?hl=%20js Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Yes, but DOSBox is an emulator, I use it too. It doesn't turn V9T9 into a Windows program any more than Classic99 turns Parsec into a Windows program. Hi Tursi, I understand the difference, but I had to run the native TI60 (v9t9) "Transfer" programme as that time I had no other clue how to transfer disks to the PC (using non-adjusted hardware and HDX did not get it to work that time with a normal RS232). Even it is old Transfer was still a "fast way" to transfer floppies. VDM99 is also good with the normal equipment (I like the hook feature) but the best / fastest is what Ralf setup (an old PC with all type of drives connected to it and use OmniFlop or similar) I also saw MFM (Magic File Manipulator) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt7rc2fulgc (have not tried that one yet). Overview of transferring files between PC and TI (work in progress !) http://www.globeron.com/freedownload/services/TI99/TI-99-4A-PC-transfer-v1.12.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gferluga Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Actually, somebody was able to compile ti99sim under OS X Yosemite with Xcode 6.4? I'm getting a link error. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I see... then why does only Classic99 have the mark, then? As far as I know only MESS attempts to emulate the DRAM powerup pattern of the TI 32k? ..maybe because I am oblivious... what should I write where to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Teaser: the new EMU-list will look somehow like this: TI-99-EMU-Compare-v2.00-beta.pdf ScreenShot: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ..maybe because I am oblivious... what should I write where to ? I think maybe it's a mistake to get too deep in the details, honestly. I think each column maybe should just be "None/Partial/Full" - you'll save a lot of heartache trying to get every detail right. Since there's only one known piece of software in the history of the TI-99/4A that appears to rely on the side effect of the TI 32k memory card power-up state, and since that same software would potentially have unpredictable issues with warm boots even on that card, and because there were many, many alternatives to the 32k card that were used over the years (NONE of which had the same effect), I think I'd just list "32k memory expansion: yes/no" and be done with it. The Turbo Pascal artifact is a bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globeron Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Latest list of TI and/or Geneve 9640 emulators: Some of them you can see here at YouTube -- channel TI99 VIDEOS (open up all videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7jwHlQfNTAKQ9WdKORAnpA/videos?disable_polymer=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyDean Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 V9T9 was DOS, not Windows - it's listed right in the DOS section so maybe the first entry was meant to be V9T9J? (Ami99 was DOS too, but does anyone actually HAVE that anymore? I don't. For that matter, it was originally for Amiga, but I only have a video of that anymore. I don't know if it matters to record lost software.) And to echo TheMole, Classic99 is Windows only. I still have it stored in my TI archives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbray Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 In my opinion: For the better sound emulation I suggest you use Win994a (tested running XB version of Axel F on both of them, then recording the sound in .wav format with Audacity and comparing the graphic representations on the two graphs that were produced) For the better speech emulation I suggest you use Win99a (tested running Lincoln's Gettysburg Address on both of them, then recording the sound in .wav format with Audacity and comparing the graphic representations on the two graphs that were produced; same was performed again with the music in the program) For the better bitmapped graphic emulation I suggest you use Classic99 (tested viewing converted Convert9918 files on both of them; images appear to have more definition with Classic99) Classic99's speech portion of the emulator still isn't finish (according to author); used "old" version of speech synthesizer software and needs to correct the interrupts Classic99's sound portion of the emulator still isn't finish (according to author); used "old" version of sound chip software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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