wyerd Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 This is a worthy Kickstarter project. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744798558/growing-the-8-bit-generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Nope! Another Commodore heavy "history". Don't need anymore of those. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BydoEmpire Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Looks interesting to me, they have a pretty solid list of interviewees from a variety of companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Nope! Another Commodore heavy "history". Don't need anymore of those. Why? The world needs to know about Commodore. It's the most-neglected topic in all of 8-bit-dom (with the possible exception of the NES). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neglectoru Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 "Another" Commodore heavy history? Have I missed some? I'm familiar with the "On the Edge" book, but I'm not familiar with any video documentaries... I agree with the sentiment that something Commodore specific can be biased, but I think these histories are vitally important. More than once, I've asked my fellow coworkers, bright programmers in their 20s, what they know about the Apple II. I'm depressed when many declare that it was the "first home computer", "best home computer", "most important home computer", and so on. Apple still exists, where as Commodore, Atari, Amstrad, Sinclair, and so many others are gone. I'm afraid of the revisionist history that can inevitably come where Apple is the only player that anyone remembers. Of course, Apple is important, but I want some histories that give a better picture of the early days of home and personal computers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm donating as soon as pay day comes around! Truly, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiman99 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It kinda sux that it doesn't have the physical copy option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Read the description. The Commodore bias is obvious. Atari 8-bits are barely mentioned, and not at all in Joe DeCuir's paragraph. His work on the SIO port was fundamental to USB development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 [..] More than once, I've asked my fellow coworkers, bright programmers in their 20s, what they know about the Apple II. I'm depressed when many declare that it was the "first home computer", "best home computer", "most important home computer", and so on.[..] Why's this upset you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Read the description. The Commodore bias is obvious. Atari 8-bits are barely mentioned, and not at all in Joe DeCuir's paragraph. His work on the SIO port was fundamental to USB development. I started "computing" in 1982 and never knew one person that owned an atari computer. Maybe it was my area of the country (SE), but by 1982 it was all VIC20, C64 and a couple of years later the 128, Amiga. It was as if Atari 8bit and their ST never existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The Atari 400 and 800 were the best selling 8-bits during 1980-1982. http://jeremyreimer.com/m-item.lsp?i=137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The Atari 400 and 800 were the best selling 8-bits during 1980-1982. http://jeremyreimer.com/m-item.lsp?i=137 Don't be so sure. First of all, from the spreadsheet it was only 1981-1982. TRS-80s outsold it in 1980. Also, Tandy stopped reporting sales numbers for new machines in 1980 when the CoCo was introduced and Tandy repeatedly said that machine was their best seller. After that they just gave sales in $ rather than number of machines. So maybe, maybe not. What bothers me about the video is it seems to completely ignore the first commercial machines and the hobbyist computers that paved the way for the C64. People creating their own machines is what started moving things along. That's where BASIC got the foothold in personal computers and people got the idea that anyone might be able to afford their own computer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Nope! Another Commodore heavy "history". Don't need anymore of those. Exactly. Equally as bad are these so-called videogame "historians" who think that NES was the only gaming related company that existed in the 10 years leading up to release of the Playstation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 As of this writing, the campaign is nearly up to 1/4 of its goal at $6,718 US! I see some "heavy-hitters" are now donating. 30 days to go! Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I started "computing" in 1982 and never knew one person that owned an atari computer. Maybe it was my area of the country (SE), but by 1982 it was all VIC20, C64 and a couple of years later the 128, Amiga. It was as if Atari 8bit and their ST never existed. That's a shame. Don't be so sure. First of all, from the spreadsheet it was only 1981-1982. TRS-80s outsold it in 1980. What bothers me about the video is it seems to completely ignore the first commercial machines and the hobbyist computers that paved the way for the C64. People creating their own machines is what started moving things along. That's where BASIC got the foothold in personal computers and people got the idea that anyone might be able to afford their own computer. Oops. 1981-1982, then. Agreed. The early homebrewers and kitbuilders are really the interesting story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) That's a shame. not really, I am glad my parents weren't distracted by another system. They were also smart enough to not buy the vic 20 but instead pre-ordered the c64 so I was double lucky. Edited August 26, 2015 by dudeslife 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I started "computing" in 1982 and never knew one person that owned an atari computer. Maybe it was my area of the country (SE), but by 1982 it was all VIC20, C64 It was all C64 by 1982, I doubt that very much (only came out in US in Aug 82) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) It was all C64 by 1982, I doubt that very much (only came out in US in Aug 82) I got one of the first ones in my city in 1982 as we preodered so vic 20 would have dominated 82 and when I actually started meeting other kids with computers (into 1983) they all had c64s. And I was speaking of where I lived which I doubt you would know anything about. Timeline may be a little fuzzy but close enough to support my point. I noticed you totally disregarded the vic20 that was sitting in front of c64 in my comment which is where the 1982 comes in.. Edited August 26, 2015 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why don't they title it "Growing up a C64 Fanboy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I got one of the first ones in my city in 1982 as we preodered so vic 20 would have dominated 82 and when I actually started meeting other kids with computers (into 1983) they all had c64s. And I was speaking of where I lived which I doubt you would know anything about. Timeline may be a little fuzzy but close enough to support my point. I noticed you totally disregarded the vic20 that was sitting in front of c64 in my comment which is where the 1982 comes in.. Is the Vic20 really worth mentioning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Is the Vic20 really worth mentioning? I never owned one so I can't say. Some of my friends that had c64s had upgraded from vic20s so someone was buying them. and out computer store was exclusively Commodore, so they must have been doing a pretty good business pre64. maybe PETs in the schools, I don't know but we had a Commodore store BEFORE there was a c64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The Vic20 was the first computer to sell a million units worldwide, and the success allowed Commodore to progress and make the C64. Yes, I'd say mentioning it was worthwhile. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Has nobody paid attention this documentary was scheduled several years ago, then the makers spent all the money people had prepaid and went underground, not to be reached by anyone? Now the project surfaces again, asking for more money to finish what others already paid for but never got delivered. I wasn't affected, but several of my friends who paid good money for this clearly won't get a second of video out of it unless they pay again, which gives me quite a bad taste in my mouth. Yes, things can happen and it probably is a good thing someone from the old project tries to salvage what can be salvaged from a rather big project that initially covered far more than the Commodore chapters, but one wonders your customer rights are when it comes to prepaying and crowdfunded projects that met the goals but never deliver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 There's a new preview trailer at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744798558/growing-the-8-bit-generation/posts/1336268 Truly, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 A link to this was posted on facebookhttp://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4788?fb_action_ids=10153230874274527&fb_action_types=news.publishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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