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Poll: Interest in an FPGA Videogame System (598 member(s) have cast votes)

I would pay....

  1. > $100 (47 votes [7.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.86%

  2. $100-149 (77 votes [12.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.88%

  3. $150-199 (173 votes [28.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.93%

  4. $200-299 (169 votes [28.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.26%

  5. Sky's the Limit (132 votes [22.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.07%

I Would Like Support for...

  1. 8 bit era games (492 votes [45.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.64%

  2. 16 bit era games (505 votes [46.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.85%

  3. Blip (81 votes [7.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.51%

Games Should Run From...

  1. SD Card / USB Memory Sticks (517 votes [53.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.91%

  2. Original Cartridges (388 votes [40.46%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.46%

  3. Hopes and Dreams (54 votes [5.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.63%

The Video Inteface Should be...

  1. RGB (231 votes [19.35%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  2. Composite (177 votes [14.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.82%

  3. S-video (109 votes [9.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.13%

  4. Component (153 votes [12.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.81%

  5. HDMI (524 votes [43.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.89%

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#13351 CZroe OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 AM

No I meant for the original Playstation.  I have a Playstation classic but I only bought it for the controllers to use on my PC.  I would like to use them with the PSOne (PSX I guess it is abbreviated) console.

I know but if they make one for PS2 and it isn’t a USB dongle then it should inherently work with both, since PS2 controllers are backwards-compatible. It seems that they don’t want to get involved with analog except in their Pro controllers that aren’t explicitly for retro consoles. Heck, even the N64 controller was co-branded with Retrobit and didn’t work on an original N64.

It’s probably difficult to translate exactly. Asking for something with analog buttons and sticks like the PS2 has is probably asking for too much but I can still hope that a PSX/PS2 Retro Receiver could support both modes. Perhaps it could sync with a SIXAXIS or DS4.

Surprisingly, I use DualShock4 with my NES Retro Receivers more often than I do Wii Remotes. DS3 requires a USB connection to pair so you have to do it with a PC and the whole thing gets complicated but a PSX/PS2 Retro Receiver could conceivably include the USB port for pairing directly. That’d be cool!

Edited by CZroe, Wed May 15, 2019 11:12 AM.


#13352 ErebusMaligan OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed May 15, 2019 11:07 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but is something like this what you guys are talking about?

 

https://www.amazon.c...n/dp/B07543W7XS

 

I've been using a handful of those for a while and they work fine for pairing a ps4 controller to ps1/2.  They also seem to work with most adapters i've found, that adapt some other console to ps1/2, like a 3do or dreamcast, or PC Engine.



#13353 CZroe OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu May 16, 2019 6:38 AM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but is something like this what you guys are talking about?
 
https://www.amazon.c...n/dp/B07543W7XS
 
I've been using a handful of those for a while and they work fine for pairing a ps4 controller to ps1/2.  They also seem to work with most adapters i've found, that adapt some other console to ps1/2, like a 3do or dreamcast, or PC Engine.

If those have Bluetooth they sure could make that clearer. You ha ego read between the lines where they say that the PS3 and PS4 controllers will connect automatically but must be plugged in with USB first to be recognized. PS4 controller actually doesn’t need that to pair with a BT device so I’m still a bit confused.

We were talking about a non-existent device. The 8bitdo Retro Receiver line is a set of Bluetooth adapters for classic consoles. Hyperkin is selling some NES/SNES BT controllers that seem to have rebranded Retro Receivers and it seems that RetroBit is introducing a line of them. RetroBit has worked with 8BitDo in the past (N64 BT controller) so I suspect their BT dongles will also be from 8BitDo.

If the Brook Super Converter for PS/PS2 already does this, awesome, but they really need to clarify. Is it or is it not a wireless adapter? If it is, does it support other BT controllers or just SIXAXIS/DS4? In addition to SIXAXIS/DS4 support, 8BitDo adapters typically support Wii Remote, connected Wii accessories, a line of 8BitDo BT controllers, and most BT controllers you might have lying around.

#13354 ErebusMaligan OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 AM

If those have Bluetooth they sure could make that clearer. You ha ego read between the lines where they say that the PS3 and PS4 controllers will connect automatically but must be plugged in with USB first to be recognized. PS4 controller actually doesn’t need that to pair with a BT device so I’m still a bit confused.

We were talking about a non-existent device. The 8bitdo Retro Receiver line is a set of Bluetooth adapters for classic consoles. Hyperkin is selling some NES/SNES BT controllers that seem to have rebranded Retro Receivers and it seems that RetroBit is introducing a line of them. RetroBit has worked with 8BitDo in the past (N64 BT controller) so I suspect their BT dongles will also be from 8BitDo.

If the Brook Super Converter for PS/PS2 already does this, awesome, but they really need to clarify. Is it or is it not a wireless adapter? If it is, does it support other BT controllers or just SIXAXIS/DS4? In addition to SIXAXIS/DS4 support, 8BitDo adapters typically support Wii Remote, connected Wii accessories, a line of 8BitDo BT controllers, and most BT controllers you might have lying around.

 

I know you were talking about a non-existent device from 8bitdo, I just meant: does this satisfy your requirements?

 

Yeah, I think they are being unclear by lumping the PS3/4 together in the description.   It does work with PS4 controllers just fine wirelessly, pairing with holding the ps + share like it does with the actual ps4 console, or the 8bit do snes receivers.  As for other BT controllers, I'll have to test it when i get a chance, I assume at least the 8bitdo ones should work fine.  I know i have one of those snes pro ones with the sticks somewhere around here.

 

Update: I tried pairing my sf30 pro to it, and I could not get it to work wirelessly.   It seems to work in switch mode wired.

 

Actually in order to re-pair my ps4 controller i also did have to plug it back in, pair, then unplug it.  Maybe that's how it always worked, not sure.  I have a different ps4 controller for everything that uses one and have been using them a while, so not sure how I originally paired it.


Edited by ErebusMaligan, Thu May 16, 2019 11:53 AM.


#13355 CZroe OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 PM

Got a strange email from 8BitDo after ordering the Genesis/Megadrive DIY kit and Retro Receivers. It seems that they are offering previous customers 5 “store credits” for “Check out our new Modkits for Playstation 1.”

Absolutely nowhere does it tell you what the credits are or what they are good for until you start trying to check out. For me it showed a $5 discount. Perhaps the ambiguity is because they could translate to 5€ or 5£ or whatever depending on your currency.

Anyhow, I don’t think you have to spend it on one of the new PlayStation DIY kits. I ordered one for PS Classic and a second one for SNES, since I have 10 NOS original SNES shells, buttons, and rubber membranes. This could make the Genesis / Megadrive DIY kit + Retro Receiver deal even better. The Retro Receiver is still $17 with purchase of a Genesis DIY board ($20). Minus $5 makes it $32 + shipping. Shipping was only $4 for me but be careful: it defaults to a much more expensive shipping option.

The board fits Hyperkin GN6 and RetroBit Genesis 6bt replica controllers as well as originals Genesis 6bt controllers despite 8BitDo only listing the Japanese model. In light of this, paying the Amazon price of $50 for the M30 + Retro Receiver sounds less appealing. Don’t get me wrong: The M30 is great but the BT version is a terrible value compared to the proprietary wireless one. If you do plan to go that way the Retro Receivers were $16 each on Ali Express last I checked.

If you’ve ever ordered from them before, check your email. Even though they just went out today they expire on the 24th.

 
I know you were talking about a non-existent device from 8bitdo, I just meant: does this satisfy your requirements?
 
Yeah, I think they are being unclear by lumping the PS3/4 together in the description.   It does work with PS4 controllers just fine wirelessly, pairing with holding the ps + share like it does with the actual ps4 console, or the 8bit do snes receivers.  As for other BT controllers, I'll have to test it when i get a chance, I assume at least the 8bitdo ones should work fine.  I know i have one of those snes pro ones with the sticks somewhere around here.
 
Update: I tried pairing my sf30 pro to it, and I could not get it to work wirelessly.   It seems to work in switch mode wired.
 
Actually in order to re-pair my ps4 controller i also did have to plug it back in, pair, then unplug it.  Maybe that's how it always worked, not sure.  I have a different ps4 controller for everything that uses one and have been using them a while, so not sure how I originally paired it.

Interesting. Thanks! I’m guessing DS4 has a PS3-style pairing mode for PSNow and PlayStation TV.

Edited by CZroe, Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 PM.


#13356 malrak ONLINE  

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Posted Fri May 17, 2019 3:31 PM

I just got my retro-bit blue controller today.  Not terribly pleased.  That'll teach me to follow the hype without assuming the worst right off the bat, amirite?  It's got the 'push flat down in the center' d-pad instead of the 'rocks under your thumb' of the originals.  Why the heck is any of this still a thing?  It's an officially licensed product, so there shouldn't be any kind of patent/trademark problem, right?  So what could possibly motivate this design choice?

 

Will it take an original thumb disc?  Or more importantly is its crisp button rubber a direct fit in a sega pad?

 

 

What's your take on these after a week +?   I'm considering picking up a couple, but figured I'd see if you still think they're kinda blah, or managed to get that "thumb disc" issue ironed out.



#13357 BrianC OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 8:17 PM

I like the Sega licensed Retro-bit Genesis controllers despite the d-pad being able to press down. Pressing it down doesn't affect anything, it works great with SFII moves, and it's very responsive. 



#13358 Reaperman OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 AM

 

 

What's your take on these after a week +?   I'm considering picking up a couple, but figured I'd see if you still think they're kinda blah, or managed to get that "thumb disc" issue ironed out.

 

I never touched it again, and probably never will.

It's an attractive case, and so much is right with it, but I have no use for a controller with a bad d-pad.

If it wasn't worth their time to get right, it's certainly not worth mine to fix it.

 

It's been 25+ years.  Lots of time for us to develop new materials, technologies and techniques.  Tons of time for us to refine the old design to remove the few flaws of the original.  Modern Genesis controllers should be far better than their 90's counterparts.  This device, like so many, manages to be worse.  It's not even a properly faithful copy, much less an improvement.  Contrast that to the FPGA systems we're plugging these into.


Edited by Reaperman, Sun May 19, 2019 7:11 AM.


#13359 derFunkenstein ONLINE  

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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 11:46 AM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but is something like this what you guys are talking about?

 

https://www.amazon.c...n/dp/B07543W7XS

 

I've been using a handful of those for a while and they work fine for pairing a ps4 controller to ps1/2.  They also seem to work with most adapters i've found, that adapt some other console to ps1/2, like a 3do or dreamcast, or PC Engine.

 

 

Do those work with the PS3/PS4 controller wirelessly? It seems like they're saying that, which is amazing. 



#13360 ErebusMaligan OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 12:06 PM

 

 

Do those work with the PS3/PS4 controller wirelessly? It seems like they're saying that, which is amazing. 

 

I've never actually tested them with a ps3 controller, though they claim to work.  I do have one, so  I could though if anyone is interested.

 

PS4 definitely works fine.  It seems like you have to pair them wired, but after that they can be used wirelessly forever.   I've been using them for a couple years maybe? on my ps1, ps2, 3do (with a 3do to ps2 adapter in the chain first), dreamcast (with some sketchy looking but perfectly functioning dc to ps2 adapter). 

 

Pretty sure I've tested them working through some other adapters like gamecube to ps2 and xbox to ps2... but don't quote me on that, I just tested those ones because I had them, not something i regularly use.

 

Essentially between those and the 8bitdo nes/snes receivers, I switched any consoles that don't need a 6 button layout over to wirless ps4 a while ago.  I want to say I had like 8 ps4 controllers years before i ever actually owned a ps4.



#13361 derFunkenstein ONLINE  

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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 12:08 PM

 

I've never actually tested them with a ps3 controller, though they claim to work.  I do have one, so  I could though if anyone is interested.

 

PS4 definitely works fine.  It seems like you have to pair them wired, but after that they can be used wirelessly forever.   I've been using them for a couple years maybe? on my ps1, ps2, 3do (with a 3do to ps2 adapter in the chain first), dreamcast (with some sketchy looking but perfectly functioning dc to ps2 adapter). 

 

Pretty sure I've tested them working through some other adapters like gamecube to ps2 and xbox to ps2... but don't quote me on that, I just tested those ones because I had them, not something i regularly use.

 

Essentially between those and the 8bitdo nes/snes receivers, I switched any consoles that don't need a 6 button layout over to wirless ps4 a while ago.  I want to say I had like 8 ps4 controllers years before i ever actually owned a ps4.

 

 

Either way I'd have to buy a controller to keep from having to unpair and repair constantly, and I'd just as soon get a DS4 anyway. There are loads of new DS3 counterfeits on the internet in real-looking "Sony" boxes. The ones that come without a mini USB cable are NOT genuine Sony, feel cheap and light, and the buttons have way too much travel. Unfortunately I spent $40 to find that out the hard way. :(







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