emkay Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I'm quite sure (without wanting to sound rude) you have an other tone perception. In a Symphonic Orchestra I notice if someone plays a note in a violin group wrong... and I know what you explain. And "One Man and his Droid" is full out of tune either.... musically. The question is, Why don't you realize it? And, there's no need to change something in my tunes, as it wouldn't, make things better... just different... Edited November 26, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) And, there's no need to change something in my tunes, as it wouldn't, make things better... just different... Ok, but then you don't have to wonder, if you nearly the only person who finds your songs audible. (And yes, 'One man and his droid' is strange and also not my taste, but in respect to Pokey's abilities in tune - sorry...) Edited November 26, 2015 by Irgendwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Ok, but then you don't have to wonder, if you nearly the only person who finds your songs audible.No problem, as people from "outside" 8-bit, recognize music there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 No you couldn't - not if the music you don't like is demonstrably in tune. True also for the other way round : 2:00... and 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gojVz37LN8w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) True also for the other way round : 2:00... and 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gojVz37LN8w A dying cat is drowning... Not sure about others, but I'd prefer my POKEY tunes Edited November 26, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Some hint... At least, my sound experiments allow to talk about music , played by POKEY... think about it!!! Edited November 26, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Here's the short loop.... freel free to do changes.. hubbard.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) freel free to do changes.. Ok, the notes of the bass line do not match to the lead (as expected). On instrument 05 (bass) is a note shift that seems 'to try' to catch up with this, but it's three half-tones off. Changing the shift from FA to FD fixes the harmonics. (Alternatively you can abstain from the shift and transpose the bass section - which I would normally do - wrong harmonics are then visible by their note names... (when you know the scales)) Also Pokey has a hard time to tune that high-whistling-sound correctly - this is detuned too. I change distortion this in the vid for testing purposes too. Edited November 27, 2015 by Irgendwer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 One man and is droid is terrible... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) One man and is droid is terrible... Yes, but NOT DETUNED! Edited November 27, 2015 by Irgendwer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Ok, the notes of the bass line do not match to the lead (as expected). On instrument 05 (bass) is a note shift that seems 'to try' to catch up with this, but it's three half-tones off. Changing the shift from FA to FD fixes the harmonics. Interresting. I also checked "FD" before, but it causes nausea after some time, just like you're on a boat and the water is strongly waving, similar to most SID tunes. It is a relief to listen to "my tunings" after listning to them , and it's not the tune/music, as those "SID-Remixes" sound well and nice. Well, my edit sounds "sour" somehow, but, if you don't listen to it directly, just reading something or playing a game, it is not interfering the "audio" . Just like a Radio Song.... those of the program fillers, not a super-hit, just some music, you listen to... Edited November 27, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 One man and is droid is terrible... It actually IS detuned with wrong harmonics in the basses, which cross over the main voice... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 And, well, this isn't an "anti SID" thread, just for compensation Some Tunes were extremely great... because "everything fits: ... for example.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) It actually IS detuned with wrong harmonics in the basses, which cross over the main voice... I agree..... But I like the One Man and his Droid atari version. Edited November 28, 2015 by analmux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 I agree..... But I like the One Man and his Droid atari version. As we say in german : "Über Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Seems, I have to buy an Oscilloscope to check the "real resulting" soundwaves. The only problem there is the missing features of any tracker, to adjust that... Those "old" chips have physical limits in sound creation, the "limits" produce unexpected sounds.... which seems a possibility of enhancement for all of them, if you use that "the right way".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Seems, I have to buy an Oscilloscope to check the "real resulting" soundwaves. The only problem there is the missing features of any tracker, to adjust that... No need to do so. The frequency range in question can also be sampled by a std. PC-HD-audio input and inspected with e.g. "Audacity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Btw: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintenzirkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintenzirkel I really try hard to get what you mean - I fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) I really try hard to get what you mean - I fail. The main part of music is the correct jump between the notes. If this isn't correct, you simply cannot replay music. Just like that one "Lee Dawson" video. That's what People mean , when talking "out of tune"... If you keep the range in that circle, you are able to shift the circle , getting chords, building common harmonics. Just to make something more clear: Instruments with a different base frequency can sound "out of tune" , but sounds that were build on a common base frequency could never sound "out of tune" , just disharmonic. The unsharp 8 bit pitch resolution creates resulting sounds, that get a "different" base frequency sounding, thus it gets out of tune. Using different notes from the same base frequency and fixed note circle also never sounds "out of tune" it can sound "out of key" or at least "out of taste". So, using the unsharp 8-bit resolution, it is more useful to find chords, instead of risking false resulting tones. That's why "my" edits use the note shift, because the harmonics of lower sounds, don't interfere the pitch of the main instrument, and build a chord together in the mid range. Only when using the 15kHz mode and the real 16 bit voice, you can create "full in tune" arrangements. Edited November 29, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 It could be an interresting task.... To create a tune , that is based on the 15kHz mode, using 16 Bit for the main voice. And, if musically posssible, switching to the "broad filter " aka " modulation", to enhance the instrumental part. But, as it seems, the bridge will never get real. It's nearing to 40 years since... musical interrests were too different... and what not else ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) How about this one? It's similar to the "FD" offset as "someone" supposed... just everything 6 halftones lower and all sound base on 15kHz again. Also, the higher part at the start uses 2 different timings to bring lower and higher notes closer together, and from 0:22 to 0:44 several timings have been used to enhance the face of the main instrument... Edited December 1, 2015 by emkay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 And as Altirra replays it..., for comparision. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The high synth notes get a bit 'out-of-pitch' unfortunately, but you can step over to 1.79 MHz & distortion 2 or 12 distortions. I'm curious how to combine this with the synth filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 ... unfortunately, after trying some short tests I didn't get much interesting combinations ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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