sh3-rg Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 What's a reasonable number of posts to allocate to laying out all the info needed for "community informing" duties? Maybe a dozen? Two dozen? Heck, I'll grant you 100. What makes up the rest, then? Ridicule, caustic sarcasm, memes, and piling on, mostly. I won't even say that this kind of negativity was unreasonable, but it's still negativity, and one need not look any further than the page count for evidence that it has been excessive. woop woop it's the sound of the police! AA is a discussion forum, not a library. And unless you got made moderator you don't get to police people and their posts. If anything was out of order it would have been moderated by now. If you find this thread's 180-odd pages to have less than a single page of worthwhile content, you're free to go discuss it elsewhere, somewhere free of such hateful ridicule, caustic sarcasm, memes and dogpiles These days, if you seek people's attention and their $s, you'd be daft to expect anything other than seeing them want to have their say, offering their ridicule and making light of and gaffes and missteps. That's just the way it works. Gamester81 called a spade a spade... again I ask, so what? Wut? He shilled the fuck out of the RVGS with a blatantly soft-ball buddy-buddy interview with MK to a massive subscriberbase. I don't even understand the context for "spade a spade"...what he did was he called a scam a console - either because MK convinced him it was real or because MK convinced him that one day it might be. Look, I understand that as big gamester81 fan, having followed him on twitter and podcasts for years, you might not particularly like to see people asking these searching questions that go beyond that which was contained within his statement, but I'm pretty sure he's big and clever enough to participate himself and not in need of your interventions in trying to shut things down on this angle. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benheck Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 People should keep in mind: 1) At least this was stopped before customers lost any money (unlike the Pinball Scams of 2015 where $2 million+ vanished) 2) It's tempting to blame associates when the responsible party is AWOL, but often times they were just as mislead as potential customers. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1) At least this was stopped before customers lost any money (unlike the Pinball Scams of 2015 where $2 million+ vanished) I was out of the loop last year and don't know about this- does anyone have a link to a good 200 185 (edit: rounding error) page thread about it? Man I bet there were some fireworks... Edit: sounds like it was this guy: http://www.johnpopadiuk.com/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was out of the loop last year and don't know about this- does anyone have a link to a good 200 185 (edit: rounding error) page thread about it? Man I bet there were some fireworks... Edit: sounds like it was this guy: http://www.johnpopadiuk.com/ Speaking of page counts ... I couldn't help but notice that we have now exceeded the number of views of the old RVGS thread (the one that was locked in December), and we're within fifteen pages of exceeding its page count also. Pretty impressive, considering that this thread has only been open for a little over two months, while the other one was open for ten months. And to answer someone else, I don't think it's just been "fighting over a nonexistent console", because that would indeed be stupid. It's been about tracking the RVGS/Chameleon team's every move and stopping them in their tracks every time they tried to pull the wool over our eyes. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepdreamin Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was out of the loop last year and don't know about this- does anyone have a link to a good 200 page thread about it? Man I bet there were some fireworks... Edit: sounds like it was this guy: http://www.johnpopadiuk.com/ WOW. I had no idea about this. Such a shame, the dude really designed some great tables for Williams back in the day. People think the retro gaming hobby is expensive, pinball is on a whole other planet. The amount of money being thrown around is in the many of thousands per individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Kennedy is a marketing guy. He does marketing things. Do the RVGS protos and photos look like they were put together by a hardware guy- or a marketing guy? It's that simple. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Creativity is something that's rather hard to buy. And that's what the pinball scandal and this seem to have in common. You just don't cut a check and say give me games. You'll get games alright, but they're not gonna be the best they can be. Rather a good creative and worthwhile game seems to come at random from random places, it makes its own market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Kennedy is a marketing guy. He does marketing things. Do the RVGS protos and photos look like they were put together by a hardware guy- or a marketing guy? It's that simple. I see your point, but as much as I instinctively dislike marketing types, I don't think we should insult them all by grouping them into the same category as Mike Kennedy. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thanatos Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 True, but I can't escape the fleeting scent of satire in her posts. I've never felt the need to adblock somebody's profile image before today. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarlynick Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I've never felt the need to adblock somebody's profile image before today. It'll be ok, it's only prosthetics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I've never felt the need to adblock somebody's profile image before today. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. It'll be ok, it's only prosthetics Regardless, it's still fairly graphic and not something you'd generally want to see while browsing a retro gaming forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedEye Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I like the line "many, including game journalist and historian Frank Cifaldi, identified the board inside". He was just following this thread or someone else who was, even combined images created by me in the first tweet. Yes, you could install drawer sliders inside to position the appropriate cart connector under the Jaguar shell's slot. Yes, that's me, I asked them to clarify this as soon as I saw it about ten minutes ago. Definitely not wanting to take credit, this was the collective work of the thread. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Sounds just like another MK hater to me. Just wait until it's revealed. What everyone here fails to realize is that Daniel Kayser and David Giltian SAW the working FPGA board. Did you ever think maybe the DVR was just a clever marketing smoke-screen? Like I said, just wait and see, this console is a movement. I'm confused. Who are you and what do you know that everyone else is clearly oblivious to, including the actual so-called team behind this Coleco Camo with a smoke-screen DVR packed Jaguar shell? Just wait and see? All we've been doing is waiting and what we've seen are lies with no sound answers. Judging by your activity in the RGVS thread from 2015 and then your immediate activity after that only being from this year and in this thread (outside of like 4 others today as a misdirection, I can only assume), I can't help but feel you're somehow associated or connected to this fiasco and have some sort of intel since you have such a confident and strong opinion on the matter - with literally everyone else here saying the exact opposite after being presented with the facts. 2 people seeing behind closed doors a supposed working FPGA does absolutely jack shit in proving anything in the face of the smoke-and-mirrors being presented in social media posts that include videos from the Toy Fair matching that of a SNES Jr. in a Jaguar shell and then most recently, a translucent Jaguar having a DVR card inside deceitfully portraying to be an actual working prototype and then aboslutely ZERO answers from the horses mouth itself after being called out and caught red handed. Someone needs to step up to the plate and take responsibility, be it Mike, the RGVS Facebook page or whatever outlet is chosen to announce some concrete information on. There's a reason all the comments are disabled and/or set to "approval" before they can be shown. This is all dust... fairy dust that's gotten a lot of feathers ruffled and all for what? Most being unnecessary... Edited March 2, 2016 by Clint Thompson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavvv Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 From the Colecovision FB page bout a half hour ago: __________ Chameleon Product: We are thankful to have a large group of passionate engineers and retro game enthusiasts who follow Coleco and other product lines. It has come to our attention that the community has certain concerns over the prototypes involving the Retro VGS model. The team at Retro remains confident that their product is developed to the extent as describe; HOWEVER, in order to confirm or debase these concerns, Coleco has demanded to inspect the prototype units within a seven day time frame. At which time, independent engineers will review their findings and determine if those units are up to our standards. We will report some or all of those findings to the community so as long as they do not interfere with proprietary information. We remain hopeful that the community's concerns are merely speculations, but if there is merit to the concerns, then we have no choice but to abandon the project rather than release a sub-par product. During this time, we ask that the community allow us time to complete these inspections. Time extensions will only be granted if requested by the independent engineer. Time extensions and results will be posted here. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was out of the loop last year and don't know about this- does anyone have a link to a good 200 185 (edit: rounding error) page thread about it? Man I bet there were some fireworks... Edit: sounds like it was this guy: http://www.johnpopadiuk.com/ Yes, I followed that whole years-long saga on Pinside, along with the Predator pinball thing(which I actually played for a bit at Pinball Expo). It was John Popadauik for Magic Girl/RAZA/Alice in Wonderland. That whole thing was 100 times worse than this. Money changed hands. No kickstarter or Indiegogo. Thousands of dollars were prepaid(that's the pinball way) and nothing came out of it. Hate Mike all you want, at least he didn't do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I hope eventually someone writes a book about all this. I think it would see well in our scene. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 HOWEVER, in order to confirm or debase these concerns, ... Don't they keep up? Concerns should be debuffed, not debased. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 From the Colecovision FB page bout a half hour ago: __________ Chameleon Product: We are thankful to have a large group of passionate engineers and retro game enthusiasts who follow Coleco and other product lines. It has come to our attention that the community has certain concerns over the prototypes involving the Retro VGS model. The team at Retro remains confident that their product is developed to the extent as describe; HOWEVER, in order to confirm or debase these concerns, Coleco has demanded to inspect the prototype units within a seven day time frame. At which time, independent engineers will review their findings and determine if those units are up to our standards. We will report some or all of those findings to the community so as long as they do not interfere with proprietary information. We remain hopeful that the community's concerns are merely speculations, but if there is merit to the concerns, then we have no choice but to abandon the project rather than release a sub-par product. During this time, we ask that the community allow us time to complete these inspections. Time extensions will only be granted if requested by the independent engineer. Time extensions and results will be posted here. What's there to inspect? One "prototype" was a SNES mini, the new one is a PCI capture card. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepdreamin Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 From the Colecovision FB page bout a half hour ago: __________ Chameleon Product: We are thankful to have a large group of passionate engineers and retro game enthusiasts who follow Coleco and other product lines. It has come to our attention that the community has certain concerns over the prototypes involving the Retro VGS model. The team at Retro remains confident that their product is developed to the extent as describe; HOWEVER, in order to confirm or debase these concerns, Coleco has demanded to inspect the prototype units within a seven day time frame. At which time, independent engineers will review their findings and determine if those units are up to our standards. We will report some or all of those findings to the community so as long as they do not interfere with proprietary information. We remain hopeful that the community's concerns are merely speculations, but if there is merit to the concerns, then we have no choice but to abandon the project rather than release a sub-par product. During this time, we ask that the community allow us time to complete these inspections. Time extensions will only be granted if requested by the independent engineer. Time extensions and results will be posted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cav Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Don't they keep up? Concerns should be debuffed, not debased. Those independent engineers are about to have their balls blown off. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 What's there to inspect? One "prototype" was a SNES mini, the new one is a PCI capture card. I suppose is to have an official report done in writing about what it is inside it by a licensed (of some sorts) professional. That is a good move for records or any legal trouble. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I suppose is to have an official report done in writing about what it is inside it by a licensed (of some sorts) professional. That is a good move for records or any legal trouble. Yeah, it makes sense, we will finally have something official. Not that the proof isn't there right now, but this should be the final nail in the coffin and we can all move on after this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Something will be made clear soon, if Coleco Holdings really care for the brand, in a week or two the Coleco Chameleon can be definitely burried for good. If they dont give a crap for the brand like they say they do, the scam lives and will return to strike back As for the so called "journalist" from Engadget, that girl is a joke abusing the "game journalist" name, like so many out there, she cant even give proper credits after the hyped the scam, she's nothing but a clown. Edited March 2, 2016 by Cybermario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 From the Colecovision FB page bout a half hour ago: __________ During this time, we ask that the community allow us time to complete these inspections. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dommie Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Hehe. We have a donation button on the site Have at it I for one will be throwing money at my computer if you can give me closure to this entire brouhaha. Links? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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