zredgemz Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It is a good point! I never liked Gamester81 and his videos at all...so I don't expect anything from him/them either way. I can't get more away from them. All I know from Piko is this strange relationship between them and Mike Kennedys project, that everyone seems to think is a con, really. After the Retro VGS video with John Carlsen showing where power goes in and where video comes out and the mini-snes in a jag shell-farce, I am just amazed at how you can choose to take a wait-and-see stance. There's another guy in here who defends Mike Kennedy because Mike is his friend(by his own statement, not mine)...he doesn't get a pass. I am wrong all the time, I might be wrong here. I thought I remembered Piko being at Mikes booth, but I think it was somebody else now. Thanks, Nicholas Edit: Not that I don't like the MAN, Gamerster81 I agree with your point, NG dev team stayed away this time around but i do understand that piko and collectorvision do not have as big as a fan base as costumers. I understand that pikointeractive wants to build a brand just like retrousb or ng dev team but i do hope he understands that if this kickstarter turns out the way it looks now, that he should consider getting out before mike's self destructive nature comes out after the fall out. Mike has no problem saying that other people are at fault or throwing people on his team under the bus. I like piko but i do feel uneasy with people who decided to be involved in this train wreck after knowing what happened in newyork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AE35 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I agree with your point, NG dev team stayed away this time around but i do understand that piko and collectorvision do not have as big as a fan base as costumers. I understand that pikointeractive wants to build a brand just like retrousb or ng dev team but i do hope he understands that if this kickstarter turns out the way it looks now, that he should consider getting out before mike's self destructive nature comes out after the fall out. Mike has no problem saying that other people are at fault or throwing people on his team under the bus. I like piko but i do feel uneasy with people who decided to be involved in this train wreck after knowing what happened in newyork. ....I think there is a chance that the 'buy time'-strategy expands beyond the main CC team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckardbr Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 saw this a bit ago on youtube and thought is was pretty funny. not sure who made it I wouldn't be surprised if this is using actual transcripts from real conversations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Here's the thing with FPGAs, once the code for one is mature it can be turned into an ASIC and sold at low cost. It is also much more power efficient to run a hardware clone than an accurate emulator, as the FPGA chips often need less power than the original machine. The reason I like FPGAs (especially open source efforts) is that they lead to something new: fully compatible clone hardware and possibly extensions to the original. The Everdrives and CD drive replacements done for the Dreamcast and Saturn are examples of things made possible using this technology. A fully-compatible NES clone would allow building new NES or Famicom (compatible with carts and identical in all ways to the original) without cannibalizing older machines. There is no project right now promising that. My point is that the current efforts lead there by having people take over and expand previous projects. Open source has been running for years in software, but I understand it's newer for hardware. Current offerings such as the MiST combine an ARM with a tiny firmware to handle things like SD card load and on-screen menus. HDL projects like the Minimig (runs on MiST but also other boards) also offer a wide range of configuration options that rival good emulators, but this is limited to mature cores aiming faithful reimplementation (rather than just play games). Edited February 21, 2016 by Newsdee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You need to do what many people do, open a "toy account". I have an allowance, but it's only $10/day and I want it now!--I want it now!--I want it now! A toy job doesn't hurt either. I referee youth soccer games as I enjoy the sport and it motivates me to get off of my butt. Then motivation to earn $ to save for toys. One thing about that is you kind of have to be honey badger don't care with the parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgman Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 saw this a bit ago on youtube and thought is was pretty funny. not sure who made it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmDpIvxWeo So which source leaked Mike's private conversations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sega_SHARK Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 One thing about that is you kind of have to be honey badger don't care with the parents. I subbed as a rocket football referee for a hot minute. Never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClassyGamer Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 [http://i.imgur.com/0bbF3Jg.jpg 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoRacer Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Ironic that an AA member showed the inside of the prototype before "Coleco" did. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 My replica so far, I am waiting on the extensions and a few other bits for authenticity, but this is how I imagine it was constructed. hard·wired /ˌhärdˈwī(ə)rd/ adjective connected with an ordinary removable plug that is hidden underneath, or inside of, a Jaguar shell. (Definition from the COLECO Business English Dictionary © COLECO Press) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 A lot of folks believe FPGA recreates the hardware exactly - resulting in perfect emulation. This is not true at all. There is no transistor-level recreation going on. Well... FPGA doesn't achieve the results the same way, but it can achieve identical logic, timing, and speed which means identical operation and functionality. Few gamers will lament the differences at the transistor level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I've decided that the best way to enjoy the Retro VGS saga is to view it as performance art. If it was never meant to be anything, then I can applaud each new development as pure genius. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It is a good point! I never liked Gamester81 and his videos at all...so I don't expect anything from him/them either way. I can't get more away from them. All I know from Piko is this strange relationship between them and Mike Kennedys project, that everyone seems to think is a con, really. After the Retro VGS video with John Carlsen showing where power goes in and where video comes out and the mini-snes in a jag shell-farce, I am just amazed at how you can choose to take a wait-and-see stance. There's another guy in here who defends Mike Kennedy because Mike is his friend(by his own statement, not mine)...he doesn't get a pass. I am wrong all the time, I might be wrong here. I thought I remembered Piko being at Mikes booth, but I think it was somebody else now. Thanks, Nicholas Edit: Not that I don't like the MAN, Gamerster81 If you cant really see our stance, and our (at least attempt?) at professionalism, I can't really help you. I've tried to be as clear as water without being negative about the project. I'm a "glass half full (or at least a bit full)" kind of guy. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 If you cant really see our stance, and our (at least attempt?) at professionalism, I can't really help you. I've tried to be as clear as water without being negative about the project. I'm a "glass half full (or at least a bit full)" kind of guy. Please don't let AE35 get to you. I don't think anyone else here blames you for anything that's going on with the project. You're an innocent 3rd party who's caught in the middle of this mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) My replica so far, I am waiting on the extensions and a few other bits for authenticity, but this is how I imagine it was constructed. Holy Sh*t. edit: Pics didn't appeared on the quote. A bit speechless. Edited February 21, 2016 by PikoInteractive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Don't believe anyone blames this PR Mess on PikoInteractive or any of the 3rd party people Everyone needs to Eat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Daniel Kayser in that RETRO talk audio... okay. You say it's the all amazing prototype. The back of the unit is a Salvage connector from the SNES itself (doesn't say Jr, lol). The board inside... yeah, that's real, that's the production hardware! (so, this thing ships in 50 days? hahahah). Fastest Deliverable on KS ever!!! Man seems to be falling on his sword. Hopefully stuff works out for him. http://readretro.com/features/talk-retro-24/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Daniel Kayser in that RETRO talk audio... okay. You say it's the all amazing prototype. pro·to·type /ˈprōdəˌtīp/ noun a completed product that was created by someone else, repackaged inside or hidden underneath a Jaguar shell as a representation of what one would like to create, for the purpose of convincing someone else to pay for it first. (Definition from the COLECO Business English Dictionary © COLECO Press) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Holy Sh*t. edit: Pics didn't appeared on the quote. A bit speechless. You mean because of the uncanny resemblance? Or the marksmanship? We are missing a picture from the back, somehow in Mike's back picture it looks like it was all black there too .... maybe spray painted? Who knows. EDIT: I truly hope no working Jaguar was harmed in the making of the proto-replica (I don't even know how to call it). Edited February 21, 2016 by phoenixdownita 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You mean because of the uncanny resemblance? Or the marksmanship? We are missing a picture from the back, somehow in Mike's back picture it looks like it was all black there too .... maybe spray painted? Who knows. On the closed shell pic it has a bit resemblance of what I saw; (I didn't see the insides even when I asked several times, so I can't comment on that.) Although I do recall the back with tape being much wider. Or I might be going crazy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) On the closed shell pic it has a bit resemblance of what I saw; (I didn't see the insides even when I asked several times, so I can't comment on that.) Although I do recall the back with tape being much wider. Or I might be going crazy. Video link is here: https://www.facebook.com/RETROVGS/videos/947471695322101/ go to 0:16 EDIT: keep in mind that at the time of the video neither the AV cable nor the power cable are connected yet. Can't tell about the ctrls but if they're plugged via extension it's irrelevant. EDIT2: from an older galax post [as you can see the taped part is not that wide] post is: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/page-44?do=findComment&comment=3441110 Edited February 21, 2016 by phoenixdownita 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 If you cant really see our stance, and our (at least attempt?) at professionalism, I can't really help you. I've tried to be as clear as water without being negative about the project. I'm a "glass half full (or at least a bit full)" kind of guy. Well technically.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) ^ Damn it... I hate it when Mike's right!! Edited February 21, 2016 by StopDrop&Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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