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#1 ssj OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:37 PM

Are there any dumps/rpks of these 2 games available? Have been searching for them and the best I could find was the rpk for Tris 2.

 



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Posted Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:50 PM

Red Baron is available on disk as Spad XIII (this version actually predates the cartridge by a couple of years). There isn't a lot of difference between the two versions of Tris, IIRC. I think this is the ROM from Tris though.

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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:19 AM

Thanks, I'll check that out. Curious to see the differences between them didn't know they were so similar.

 

I always thought there were some differences between Red Baron and Spad XIII, aren't there? I do have the Spad XIII disk version.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:04 AM

Be sure you have the one from TIGameshelf.  The original disk was painfully slow to load because it used XB's CALL LOAD to load 8K of code to low memory.  The gameshelf one uses a fast loader similar to systex to load those 8K.  The manual is vital to understanding the game and that too is available on TIGameshelf.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:55 AM

Be sure you have the one from TIGameshelf.  The original disk was painfully slow to load because it used XB's CALL LOAD to load 8K of code to low memory.  The gameshelf one uses a fast loader similar to systex to load those 8K.  The manual is vital to understanding the game and that too is available on TIGameshelf.

 

hrmmmm I have an original copy.  Did not know about this.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:04 AM

IIRC, the fast loader was included on later versions of the disk, so you may have it already, OLD CS1. . .



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:27 AM

IIRC, the fast loader was included on later versions of the disk, so you may have it already, OLD CS1. . .

Can't say about that, but my original from around '86 or '87 has the slow loader and some kind of protection scheme which I eliminated when I converted it to the fast loader.  The original version takes several minutes to load plus the protection means you can't put it on a ramdisk. 

BTW, SPAD 13 is much nicer when you have the 16 bit fast memory expansion.  If you use a simulator, this is available on Win994a and works just like the real one.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:20 AM

I have the Red Baron Cartridge, will try to do a dump.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:08 PM

I also have the cart, but no way to dump it.

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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:24 PM

Note, Red Baron was a cartridge based on the DBT 32K format, so it might not be as easy a dump as most cartridges are (and the dump programs are generally only designed to look for the first two ROM banks, so they won't get the whole cartridge).



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:52 PM

What are the chances of having you create a cart for me Jim?  ;)



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:21 PM

Note, Red Baron was a cartridge based on the DBT 32K format, so it might not be as easy a dump as most cartridges are (and the dump programs are generally only designed to look for the first two ROM banks, so they won't get the whole cartridge).

 

Which means it will work just fine in a SuperSpace II.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:02 PM

I'll have to see if I can find mine to read the EPROM out directly--and the ROM should work on the Guidry boards (or the Black boards), IIRC. And yes, it will also work fine on a SuperSpace II. . .



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:10 PM

I'll have to see if I can find mine to read the EPROM out directly--and the ROM should work on the Guidry boards (or the Black boards), IIRC. And yes, it will also work fine on a SuperSpace II. . .

 

If not, I am pretty sure the module dumper supplied with the SuperSpace can read mine.  I will be happy to give it a try.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:33 PM

You might want to try that SuperSpace dump as our first resort, as it does not involve opening the cartridge. . .and if it fails, I then go the crack the cartridge open route to extract the EPROM.



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:30 PM

You might want to try that SuperSpace dump as our first resort, as it does not involve opening the cartridge. . .and if it fails, I then go the crack the cartridge open route to extract the EPROM.

 

Can do.  Tonight is a no-go for festivities, but I shall attempt the task tomorrow during first intermission (Winter Classic.)



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:31 PM

Thanks guys, would be very nice to have a dump of Red Baron.

 

While we are at comparing games, I have one more:

 

Micro Pinball vs Micro Pinball 2

 

Anyone knows the differences between these 2? Seems both versions got a disk release:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262185336406

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391345397948

 

What was the version released on cart was it v1 or v2?



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Posted Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:46 PM

On Micro Pinball,look at the number and placement of the bumpers. V1 has three and V2 has four.  Other than that, the games are pretty much identical. I never looked to see which one was in the cart. . .although it was one of the first DBT cartridges I bought BITD (along with Spot Shot, which I still love to play a lot), Black Hole (fun), and Return to Parsec (which was a disappointment).



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Posted Fri Jan 1, 2016 12:38 AM

So I checked the rpk from the MAME set and it's v2, I find this curious because on the cart lists I always see it referenced as Micro Pinball only. Like here:

http://www.videogame....net/rarity.txt

 

Then again naming on the TI has always been a bit chaotic like Jawbreaker II ingame title being only Jawbreaker. Since the cart was only released in 87 I suppose it makes sense that V2 has been released.

If you ever have the chance to test your cart I'd be interested to know, also curious to see what's written in the cart label is it only Micro Pinball?



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Posted Fri Jan 1, 2016 10:09 AM

The marking on all of the cart labels I've ever seen was only Micro Pinball, even when DBT switched from the end labels to the paste-on labels on top of the cartridge towards the end of their active cartridge production.



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Posted Fri Jan 1, 2016 1:12 PM

Are there any dumps/rpks of these 2 games available? Have been searching for them and the best I could find was the rpk for Tris 2.

 

 

I actually have the dump of Red Baron.  It was one of those CRU bank switched carts that we still need to adapt to the 378/379 method. 

 

I also have a few more DataBiotics CRU bank switched ones that need fixed:  Desktop Publisher, Beyond Word Writer, and StarGazer 1-3 (Combo cart).

 

Attached a zip for someone who feels like debugging and changing the bank switching around. :)

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Posted Fri Jan 1, 2016 7:32 PM

Oh great thanks, let's hope someone will be willing to take a look at that.

 

Does anyone know if that dump will work on MESS/MAME? I see there's a PCB Type specifically for CRU banking carts, will give it a try later and see if I can get it running.



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Posted Fri Jan 1, 2016 9:40 PM

It does work fine on MAME, great stuff thanks again for the dump.



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Posted Sat Jan 2, 2016 8:17 AM

Thanks guys, would be very nice to have a dump of Red Baron.

 

While we are at comparing games, I have one more:

 

Micro Pinball vs Micro Pinball 2

 

Anyone knows the differences between these 2? Seems both versions got a disk release:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262185336406

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391345397948

 

What was the version released on cart was it v1 or v2?

 

I have 2 carts, both labelled "Micro-Pinball" (one of which has the latter-day DBT dot matrix label on the top of the cart rather than the end).

 

One contains Micro Pinball and the other contains Micro Pinball II. When I got them, I figured that the v2 was a burnt eprom  put in a Micro Pinball labelled shell, but in opening them, I found the PCBs were both labelled « Databiotics ».

 

I've always wondered if maybe if DBT, near the end of their life (and money) simply distributed/sold  the newer version without changing the designation on the labels. I don't think V2 was ever « officially » released on a cart (I could be wrong) , so that would explain how I ended up with one (albeit mislabelled).

 

Or I DID get ripped off for one of the carts, who knows. I would be interested to know if anyone else has a Micro-Pinball labelled shell which actually contains V2.

 

As far as the difference between the games, the shape of the table (not the layout, just the dimensions) had been altered ever-so-slightly (enhancing the physics of the game), more bumpers have been added to the top cluster, and a new set of roll-overs have been added to the top right side. I just wish (as I always do with this generation of video games) that facilities would have been included to save high scores out to disk or tape. Especially considering how many high score slots are provided until you unplug the cart.

 

Even a great Pinball simulation like this (I rate the physics/gameplay right up there with Dave's Midnight Magic and the Pinball Construction Kit) misses something without the ability to save your high score!


Edited by PeBo, Sat Jan 2, 2016 8:20 AM.


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Posted Sat Jan 2, 2016 11:36 AM

 

I have 2 carts, both labelled "Micro-Pinball" (one of which has the latter-day DBT dot matrix label on the top of the cart rather than the end).

 

One contains Micro Pinball and the other contains Micro Pinball II. When I got them, I figured that the v2 was a burnt eprom  put in a Micro Pinball labelled shell, but in opening them, I found the PCBs were both labelled « Databiotics ».

 

 

 

I think they did that with their application programs too.  You had Miniwriter I, II, III, and III+.  You have WordWriter, Beyond Wordwriter, and possibly others.  

 

I don't have MIniwriter dumped yet (it's also a bank switched strange animal, and you can't unsocket the EPROM to dump it.)






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