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#1 makary OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Feb 6, 2016 3:39 AM

Hi everyone,

 

I just want to share some tunes I made using 15 kHz clocked Pokey in basic version of Raster Music Tracker (1.28). I believe they sound a bit different than tunes made with a regular clock (64 kHz). So check please if you wish and enjoy!

 

I think they sound best when listened to on a real hardware, therefore I made recordings also and put on my bandcamp profile. So if someone doesn't use a real piece of hardware, please follow the links:

 

http://makarybrauner...om/track/echoes

 

http://makarybrauner...rack/step-it-up

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Posted Sat Feb 6, 2016 4:34 AM

(listened to the web-based)

 

Some nice use of the high frequency stuff there, especially Echoes.

Step it up - in parts reminds me of Ridiculous Reality songs.

 

In both cases, unconventional and original sounding.



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Posted Sat Feb 6, 2016 8:51 AM

Thanks. I enjoyed that.



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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 10:06 AM

@ makary

It seems that you also don't like the standard 64 kHz mode. ;) The 15 kHz mode gives a possibility for 8-bit AUDF values and square bass notes.

Do you have new PoKey ideas? Then maybe you can study RMT 1.28 Patch 8, which is especially made for the 15 kHz mode. Here you can find patch 8, some example tunes and YouTube links:

http://atariage.com/...69-rmt-patch-8/

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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 10:26 AM

Incredible!!!! :)  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:



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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 10:59 AM

Hi everyone,

 

I just want to share some tunes I made using 15 kHz clocked Pokey in basic version of Raster Music Tracker (1.28). I believe they sound a bit different than tunes made with a regular clock (64 kHz). So check please if you wish and enjoy!

 

I think they sound best when listened to on a real hardware, therefore I made recordings also and put on my bandcamp profile. So if someone doesn't use a real piece of hardware, please follow the links:

 

http://makarybrauner...om/track/echoes

 

http://makarybrauner...rack/step-it-up

Echoes is awesome.  Our bird (cockateil) loves it too.



#7 makary OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 11:31 AM

Thank you all for your kind remarks :) I really appreciate them.

 

@ analmux: I've just started using the patched RMT couple weeks ago and I am about to share a tune made with it. Just keep waiting please ;) I think you've done great work regarding upper octaves tuning and interesting timbres. And yes, I prefer 15kHz mode because I like music having proper amount of low-end frequencies present.



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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 12:40 PM

Thanks.

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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 1:06 PM

Anyway, nice to hear that you did a try with sawtooth waves. ;)

RMT 1.28 Patch 8 can help a bit: it has a special sawtooth table (36 notes).

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Posted Sun Feb 7, 2016 1:53 PM

Right, that's cool.

 

For instance in the tune I shared, the sawtooth melody can't be more complicated because there are only few notes in tune. That's the weakness of the regular RMT. 



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Posted Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:42 AM

Here's some effect of exploring the RMT patched by Analmux. Enjoy ;)

 

Link to the real hardware recording: 

http://makarybrauner...com/track/prism

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Posted Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:37 AM

Sounds cool.... Reminds me little bit chamber of shaolin.

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Posted Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:06 AM

Nice to listen to your new tune. :)

But I'm not yet sure you like the usage and the possibilities of RMT Patch 8. If you have some questions about Patch 8, let me know. ;)

Edited by analmux, Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:27 AM.


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Posted Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:50 PM

Great! I will demo these at the Rose City Atari Club.



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Posted Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:16 AM

thanks!

 

@analmux: I like the both things you mentioned :) The point is that I like composing music but I'm not good at talking about composing music ;) Still I'm collecting some remarks about the patch and will share for sure.

 

@Paul Westphal: nice! Send me please a note /  photo / anything after the event how everything went ;)


Edited by makary, Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:40 AM.


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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2016 2:19 AM

I think they sound best when listened to on a real hardware, therefore I made recordings also and put on my bandcamp profile. So if someone doesn't use a real piece of hardware, please follow the links:

 

Atari800 2.2.1 on my Linux laptop did a pretty good job, but yeah, not perfect. Thanks for posting the songs to bandcamp, too.



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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2016 3:27 AM

I think emulators work pretty well regarding Pokey, in case of my tunes at least ;). However I believe they lack the "harshness" that comes from the real chip. As if some sort of soft compression is applied to the sound. Its just a detail but still changes overall "sonic experience" slightly :) 



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Posted Tue Mar 8, 2016 12:56 AM

Some time ago I saw my kids dancing to some cartoon tune. Just the way only small kids can jiggle around, you know what I mean probably. 'That calls for some pokey song' I thought :) So this time no experimenting etc., just simple song and positive mood.

 

Anyway, enjoy!

 

The link to the real Pokey recording:

http://makarybrauner...ack/yokey-pokey

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:09 PM

Once again exploring the Patch 8 abilities. A bit YM-ish bass I think. I'll appreciate any feedback, opinions or critical comments   ;)

 

You can listen to the attached tune recorded from the real hardware:

http://makarybrauner...track/bike-ride

 

You can also listen to and/or download recordings of all the tunes I made in the 15 kHz mode up to now:

https://makarybraune...om/album/pky-15

 

 

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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:02 PM

Once again exploring the Patch 8 abilities. A bit YM-ish bass I think. I'll appreciate any feedback, opinions or critical comments   ;)


I gave this one a like, because the tune has some nice parts in it.
The start is a little bit "unlikely" , as gen. 2 sometimes still doesn't sound like music.

Let's see , if we get some demos around those tunes.

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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:04 AM

@emkay: thanks. As regards demos: those tunes are CPU consuming (4 frames). For creating demo/game music another approach is needed.



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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:34 AM

@emkay: thanks. As regards demos: those tunes are CPU consuming (4 frames). For creating demo/game music another approach is needed.


Some demos should be possible as ANTIC offers low DMA / memory using modes which could be used for GTIA ...

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Posted Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:12 PM

@ makary

It's nice that you like using Patch 8 to write another song. But I didn't see a crew credit on your webside, showing that you used RMT 1.28 Patch 8 and who wrote this patch.

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Posted Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:07 AM

@ analmux

Fixed! I'm sorry.

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Posted Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:03 PM

 @ analmux

 

I think it's fair to say that I didn't write that tune using Patch 8. I wrote it couple years ago using Jeskola Buzz and left aside. I recently 'ported' it to A8 using Patch 8. Generally I compose music using my old piano, write ideas using Renoise or Cubase, do sound desing using Access Virus. When I want to use ideas for A8 music I eventually translate everything into 'Pokeish' using RMT, Patch 8 or TMC 2.0. All ingredients are equally important in the process.

 

As regards know-how, I refer often to Synth Secrets series: http://www.soundonso...ynthsecrets.htm and try to apply that knowledge into Pokey sound generation abilities. At the beginning I tried to learn about Pokey, 15 kHz etc from forums but... well, I usually quit reading threads in a minute due to 'sid vs pokey' or 'out of tune/in tune' quarrels etc. That can be interesting but it's not very useful musical knowledge for me personally ;) Therefore beside the Synth Secrets I only rely on some Pokey specification, Raster's and Jaskier's manuals and in case of Patch 8 your tuning and distortion tables.


Edited by makary, Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:51 PM.






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