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#1 Savetz OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:07 PM

Great news! I recently interviewed Wes Newell, founder of Newell Industries (known for Omnimon and many other upgrades.) (The interview is not published yet.) He sent me hundreds of pages of documentation and source code to scan, and put online. And he's put it in the public domain!*

 

So, I've scanned it all and uploaded it all to the Internet Archive. The manuals are pretty straightforward, seems to be rather complete set of Newell manuals. I need your help to identify and describe a lot of the source code. With more information about exactly what this stuff is, I can amend the metadata at archive.org.

 

 

I think the Atari community will find some of this source code very exciting. So dig in and tell me what we've got.

 

 

(*I'm not entirely convinced that the Omnimon/Omniview manuals are his to put in the public domain — they may be owned by David Young of CDY Consulting) so I didn't tag that PD in the uploads.)

 

Atari 8-bit Source code

 
Atari ST Source code
 
MS-DOS Source code
 
Atari 8-Bit Manuals
 
Atari ST Manuals
 
MS-DOS Application with Manual
 
 


#2 Savetz OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:24 PM

Here's an easy link to get a complete list at archive.org: https://archive.org/...tz?and[]=newell



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Posted Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:36 PM

Outstanding!!!



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Posted Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:54 PM

I used to have the Newel 1meg & 256k and the RamRod XL upgrades on my 800xl's

 

 

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Posted Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:03 AM

I suppose OSNE/OSNF/OSNXL are versions of the source code for the Omnimon monitor, referenced in this thread http://atariage.com/...oramrod-newell/

 

Any corroboration from smart programmer people?



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Posted Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:42 AM

That is such an outstanding WOW! can't tell. Really makes the coming D-Day rather small. :-)

Thank you so much:

Wes Newell

David Young

and Kevin again.

 

What a day. This makes the Brexit-day a "normal" day...

A few good news likes this, really let the world look better.

Please go ahead with your outstanding work. That is all to fantasitic and hard to believe it is all true.

Hillary is just talking of disclosure. The above good souls are already doing it!



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Posted Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:17 AM

Very nice!

 

Anything for his program Pro Bowling? It seems this was published both by Newell Industries and APX.

 

Also wondering whether Wes Newell wrote any other commercial games we wouldn't be aware of (he coded some public domain titles in BASIC but that's all the information we have).

 

Thanks!

 

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#8 Savetz OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:48 PM

Very nice!

 

Anything for his program Pro Bowling? It seems this was published both by Newell Industries and APX.

 

Also wondering whether Wes Newell wrote any other commercial games we wouldn't be aware of (he coded some public domain titles in BASIC but that's all the information we have).

 

 

He did indeed do Pro Bowling, and we talk about it in the interview. I didn't explicitly ask about putting it in the PD, because it's already widely available. 

 

He didn't wrote any other games that we don't know about.

 

Kevin



#9 Allan OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:40 PM

 

He did indeed do Pro Bowling, and we talk about it in the interview. I didn't explicitly ask about putting it in the PD, because it's already widely available. 

 

He didn't wrote any other games that we don't know about.

 

Kevin

We just need the manual. :)

 

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Posted Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:19 AM

I suppose OSNE/OSNF/OSNXL are versions of the source code for the Omnimon monitor, referenced in this thread http://atariage.com/...oramrod-newell/

 

Any corroboration from smart programmer people?

 

Not claiming to be a smart programmer :) ... but yes, they are the source (or sort of) of Omnimon ...

 

Now, I don't want to be ungrateful, or nitpick too much, because it is certainly great that he provided them and you that digitized and uploaded them. Thanks ... But I wonder if it is the full source code ... I don't see a single comment line, that's pretty strange for assembler. There are very few, really very few, inline comments in the same line than an assembler statement. But at first glance, I couldn't find a single whole line comment. As if comment lines were removed from the listing.


Edited by ijor, Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:20 AM.


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Posted Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:19 AM

Kevin,

 

Many thanks and kudos to you (and others) for your persistent dedication to preserve the Atari computer materials!



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Posted Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:44 PM

 

Now, I don't want to be ungrateful, or nitpick too much, because it is certainly great that he provided them and you that digitized and uploaded them. Thanks ... But I wonder if it is the full source code ... I don't see a single comment line, that's pretty strange for assembler.

 

Took a look at the OSNXL listing.  This isn't a program listing per se; it is the output at time of assembly.  I see a lot of external symbols not defined in the source, (or otherwise could not find the definitions) , so there's probably an include file or two not shown in the listing.  I do see the occasional comment in there.  Not aware of any assembler that would attempt to excise comments in the assembly. 

 

It looks like the author just wasn't a big fan on in-line documentation and/or it was likely not something expected to be scrutinized in public.  Common programmer feature (flaw) -- when you're working with something every day all sorts of decisions appear self-explanatory and documentation seems redundant.  And then a year (or twenty) later you look at it and wonder what the heck you were thinking of.



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Posted Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:04 PM

 

 And then a year (or twenty) later you look at it and wonder what the heck you were thinking of.

 

Not true! This already happens after two or three months... :)



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Posted Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:06 PM

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Hillary is just talking of disclosure. The above good souls are already doing it!

Alien disclosure? I knew it!



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Posted Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:31 AM

:-)

Then you know too, why she can't do it.

Maybe a few bits, but never ever the OS source code to say it the Atarian way.

A repeat of Jimmy Carter, nothing else. After he was briefed in the subject, we never heard of him again...



#16 Savetz OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2016 9:22 AM

Here's the interview with Wes: ANTIC Interview 212 - Wes Newell, Newell Industries



#17 Allan OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2016 10:42 AM

I just posted another manual by Newell Industries to Archive.org. I have a couple of more to scan as well.

 

https://archive.org/...iviewXEFeatures

 

Allan






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