So are we thinking that some of those missing Zimag part numbers might go to Mysterious Thief and Fire Spinner?
Yes, I'm almost certain of that.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:38 AM
So are we thinking that some of those missing Zimag part numbers might go to Mysterious Thief and Fire Spinner?
Yes, I'm almost certain of that.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:41 AM
From the DP Psychopedia:
Edited by Rom Hunter, Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:57 AM.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:48 AM
Too bad we don't know any of the programmers for these games. Even if we could get a hold of only one, they could probably sort this whole mess out.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:54 AM
Too bad we don't know any of the programmers for these games. Even if we could get a hold of only one, they could probably sort this whole mess out.
IMO checking and comparing the code of the different versions is the only way to deal with this.
The ZiMAG/Emag/Vidco versions look like the most 'finished' (most genuine) ones to me.
Edited by Rom Hunter, Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:56 AM.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:01 PM
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 AM
Almost forgot the bizarre ZiMAG background history:
http://atariage.com/...emag/?p=3085065
As you can see from Waggie's excellent research, Emag and Vidco were indeed founded later: both in october 1983.
Vidco included the ZiMAG carts (with a ZiMAG label on the front and a molded Vidco logo on the back) in their Copy Cart boxes:
http://www.atarimani...cart_20117.html
And Vidco most probably used the left-over Home Vision stack of Repro Carts:
http://www.atarimani...cart_20253.html
Edited by Rom Hunter, Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:21 AM.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:37 AM
I am really enjoying this discussion; the level of analysis is truly astounding!
Are there contemporary reviews and/or advertisements for any of these titles?
That sort of external evidence may help determine which version came first.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:52 PM
According to Omega's findings many years ago the Home Vision logo is too long to fit in the ZiMAG logo position of Dishaster.
This could also lead to the conclusion that the ZiMAG version is the original one.
It would be interesting to know if Plate Mania from Home Vision carries the Home Vision logo.
Unfortunately we still don't have the ROM dump of this one...
Edited by Rom Hunter, Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:55 PM.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:41 AM
Some other leads to ZiMAG versions being the originals:
Edited by Rom Hunter, Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:42 AM.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:40 PM
Cool findings. It is nice to see when a technical analysis result and speculation is confirmed that way.
Then the only question left for me is: Why does the "Mommy" look like an apple?
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:49 PM
Some other leads to ZiMAG versions being the originals:
Have you checked CloneSpy?
For I want my Mommy, you can identify two very distinctive groups (A..F and G..I) and some sub-groups within those groups. For example you can clearly see, that Teddy Apple is an independent hack and that Abre-te Sesamo! is probably (the percentages are too close to be sure) the original hack, where all other Open Sesame hacks are based on.
You should do the same for other ZiMAG games and draw your own conclusions.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:08 PM
Have you checked CloneSpy?
For I want my Mommy, you can identify two very distinctive groups (A..F and G..I) and some sub-groups within those groups. For example you can clearly see, that Teddy Apple is an independent hack and that Abre-te Sesamo! is probably (the percentages are too close to be sure) the original hack, where all other Open Sesame hacks are based on.
You should do the same for other ZiMAG games and draw your own conclusions.
Yes, CloneSpy confirms my I Want My Mommy findings.
I'll check the other three.
The four ZiMAG games were released in january 1983 at the winter CES, the first Home Vision titles were released in september 1983.
LOL, the mother isn't a giant apple.
Mommy shows up in level two, Thomas.
Edited by Rom Hunter, Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:08 PM.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:14 PM
Hm, looks more like a doll to me.
Posted Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:32 AM
Hm, looks more like a doll to me.
Posted Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:43 AM
Makes sense.
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