Timothy Kline Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Good morning, everyone! After searching the topics and not seeing anything (recent), I thought it might just be simpler to ask outright whether Carina II 2.7 is available either for purchase or in dcm/atr format? My old copy was an .arc file (from Holmes?) but fails to extract. I'm also looking for a working copy of RoboWar II, if at all possible, either via purchase or in a compressed archive format. Thank you, in advance! --Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEditor Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Good morning, everyone! After searching the topics and not seeing anything (recent), I thought it might just be simpler to ask outright whether Carina II 2.7 is available either for purchase or in dcm/atr format? My old copy was an .arc file (from Holmes?) but fails to extract. I'm also looking for a working copy of RoboWar II, if at all possible, either via purchase or in a compressed archive format. Thank you, in advance! --Tim Having a working copy of Carina would be awesome. Having documentation would be incredible. Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The Arc file... how many arc unarc or super un-arc flavors have you tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) I found these 3 files on my collection....I don't know why / if there's a number gap.. They do seem to be this Carina 2.7 from a text file on one Its not my sort of thing but since they are 15mb files there must be something of use on there? Hope they are of use... I've also sent a message to someone who ran a bbs with Carina and Robowars II on it, its a long time ago so I can't guarantee a reply but trying to help. carina_27_1.atr carina_27_2.atr carina_27_7.atr Edited November 12, 2016 by Mclaneinc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 For Robowar II and other Carina files, Look Here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Kline Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 I found these 3 files on my collection....I don't know why / if there's a number gap.. They do seem to be this Carina 2.7 from a text file on one Its not my sort of thing but since they are 15mb files there must be something of use on there? Hope they are of use... I've also sent a message to someone who ran a bbs with Carina and Robowars II on it, its a long time ago so I can't guarantee a reply but trying to help. Thank you! These started for me, at least in Altirra. Looking forward to trying them on my system! For Robowar II and other Carina files, Look Here Took me a short time, but I got them all, thank you! I couldn't connect via FTP nor use my DTA download manager, so ... click, Save as, click, Save as, click... lol The Arc file... how many arc unarc or super un-arc flavors have you tried? Just unarc and Superunarc, as they've worked before on these archives. I suspect that the files just became corrupted sometime during the last 15 years or so after being moved from floppies to floppies, and floppies to hard drives. I've stumbled across a few other corrupted arc files this year, but have managed to find alternative sources online for nearly everything. Carina and Robowar were just eluding me. Thank you to everyone who responded!! --Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 There's LOADS of files on those 3 disks, had a look under Sparta DOS / U1MB emulation...+ docs it seems... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) Mclaneinc, on 12 Nov 2016 - 04:54 AM, said: I found these 3 files on my collection....I don't know why / if there's a number gap.. They do seem to be this Carina 2.7 from a text file on one Its not my sort of thing but since they are 15mb files there must be something of use on there? Hope they are of use... I've also sent a message to someone who ran a bbs with Carina and Robowars II on it, its a long time ago so I can't guarantee a reply but trying to help. The ATRs are labeled to corresponding drives, D1, D2, & D7. Carina will fart at you w/o those 3 drives available. Edited December 8, 2016 by Triads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Both Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Somebody lost that manual? Found it while walking with the dog. Stefan Carina II BBS manual - Atari.pdf 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Now, we just need to find source code for M.O.E. Are Jerry Horanoff or David Hunt still around? There is some kind of carrier detect issue with M.O.E. If I do this: 100 STATUS #2,X:?PEEK(747):GOTO 100 The value changes depending if I have an active telnet connection to the Lantronix (as it should). but If I have M.O.E. turned on, it never changes. Carina never sees carrier so it sits at the wait screen. Has anyone gotten Carina to work with telnet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Now, we just need to find source code for M.O.E. Are Jerry Horanoff or David Hunt still around? There is some kind of carrier detect issue with M.O.E. If I do this: 100 STATUS #2,X:?PEEK(747):GOTO 100 The value changes depending if I have an active telnet connection to the Lantronix (as it should). but If I have M.O.E. turned on, it never changes. Carina never sees carrier so it sits at the wait screen. Has anyone gotten Carina to work with telnet? I've been working on putting one up.... I got the Lantronix thing possibly solved but I don't know if it's a good solution. But I'm having issues with RoboWar. Play once and it doesn't recognize it's a different day, so it tells you you're out of time and things go in an endless loop if it's the only game in that group. (That's the main reason I won't put it up yet). Your next questions is "what did you do to get it working". My answer will be "I don't remember". Profanity will follow...... Then I'll pipe in with something like "well, actually I kept notes of all the changes I made just for this very reason" (someone else wanting to know). But I don't have those with me right now, so the community will have to wait till probably tomorrow to debate the merits of my solution to the problem. (It's a Lantronix UDS 10 btw) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 And I think it's working well with 19200 with my MIO too. (But this version is supposed to support ANSI and I can't figure that out). I don't know how "complete" my files are or if they're the latest. The Shadow unfortunately didn't have a copy anymore. I plan to at least finish the screens next weekend, but I've been focusing on SFHQ lately (actually got 2 new callers today!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 There is some kind of carrier detect issue with M.O.E. If I do this: 100 STATUS #2,X:?PEEK(747):GOTO 100 The value changes depending if I have an active telnet connection to the Lantronix (as it should). but If I have M.O.E. turned on, it never changes. Carina never sees carrier so it sits at the wait screen. As defined by the 850's R: driver protocol, location 747 (DVSTAT+1) only reflects control line status if the interface is not in concurrent mode. If concurrent mode is active, this location gives the input buffer level instead. This is because the R: driver has to send a command to the 850 to read the control lines, and it can't do that when the SIO bus is actively in use by the comm channel. I believe compatible R: drivers for other hardware generally maintain this protocol even if they do not have the same limitation. From what I saw the last time I debugged Carina II, the unmodified WAITCALL at least wants to see RING and CONNECT from the modem. There were some timing issues that I had to work around in Altirra, one being that Carina II needed a minimum delay from ATA to CONNECT or else the BASIC code couldn't close and reopen the R: channel quickly enough to catch the CONNECT message. I forget what the changes were in the bf2k-modified WAITCALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I think it's CONNECT that the UDS-10 does not send. Can this be done so it only looks at carrier detect? That would simplify things greatly. Also, M.O.E.'s clock is wrong. I am using FJC's Z: Handler for Incognito. Thanks Tillek and phaeron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 And I think it's working well with 19200 with my MIO too. (But this version is supposed to support ANSI and I can't figure that out). I don't know how "complete" my files are or if they're the latest. The Shadow unfortunately didn't have a copy anymore. I plan to at least finish the screens next weekend, but I've been focusing on SFHQ lately (actually got 2 new callers today!!!!) Carina II 2.7's ANSI is incomplete, this is why it is REM'd out as a logon choice. If you want to "turn it on" remove the REM's at lines 2165 & 2170 in WAITCALL. Even then you'll run into ansi not implemented in other modules, reverting back to ascii. The SETTINGS module does not have Ansi incorporated in Graphics Modes, says "Not Implemented Yet" when trying to switch to it. Carina 2.5 modified by Terry Ortman has good Ansi support, however most modules were released crippled (easily fixable) and I believe only supports 2400 baud, which can be fixed as well, but don't know if its worth the trouble, since you're going backwards. I also had a conversation with David Hunt, and got the runaround about not having a local copy, and his intent to jump back into working on Carina 3 in the future ( the only thing here that comes to mind is Lance and BBS Express on Cart.. ha ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Carina 2.5 modified by Terry Ortman has good Ansi support, however most modules were released crippled (easily fixable) and I believe only supports 2400 baud, which can be fixed as well, but don't know if its worth the trouble, since you're going backwards. Could you post this version??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) All files needed are on the Holmes CD2 http://ftp.pigwa.net/stuff/collections/holmes%20cd/Holmes%202/Atari%20Archives/Telecomm/CARINA/FLESEC_U/DIR_B/index.html MODULE26.ARC etc are actually Carina 2.5.There are also ansi menu's and welcome screens as well. Edited February 8, 2017 by Triads 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thanks Triads. I had forgotten to look at Holmes. This will give me lots of interesting information to go through tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I also had a conversation with David Hunt, and got the runaround about not having a local copy, and his intent to jump back into working on Carina 3 in the future ( the only thing here that comes to mind is Lance and BBS Express on Cart.. ha ) Well, that's good to know about the ANSI.... As far as Dave Hunt. Not sure when you talked to him but I had sent him an email last January (2016) about purchasing the software if possible and getting the most up to date copy and this was his response. (I'm assuming there isn't anything special about me and that anyone who could get their hands on it would be able to run it). As for Ben, the copy on his site was corrupted. I had asked him a follow up question about something, but never got an answer. I work on it now and then, but just never made it a priority based on the activity level of SFHQ and the Atari BBS's I call. Lately, SFHQ has had a bit more activity and I've been working on both. __________________________________________________ Greetings Andy! All of my Carina files are currently on hard drives that haven't been fired up in over 10 years now. I don't currently have a Carina system up and running, and can not offer much in the way of support. The internet forced me to switch over to IBM's to make a living. That being said, if you can find a copy of Carina, you are welcome to run it with my blessings, free of charge. Ben Smith MIGHT have a copy... Sorry I can't be of more help... Cheers! The Shadow ___________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 My conversation ended with David Hunt about 3 weeks or so ago. He says that his PC business is taking all of his time and Atari is on the backburner. The file on Bens site does uncompress, but if you downloaded thru windows, you have to unblock it first as windows thinks it's potentially harmful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 ... If you do some searching on the old newsgroups, David Hunt was not very popular, especially when it came to support for carina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triads Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 My conversation with him was about getting all copies of his software for archival purposes. We are losing software daily and this is what he wrote to me- On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, The Shadow wrote: Greetings Jason! As I have told Ben Smith numerous times, between him and the UMICH Atari Archive, that is all that is available for Carina for now. I may or may not have more, but my Atari days are on hold right now until I can make enough money to retire. At that point, I plan on reviving my Atari's, as well as restarting my Carina BBS. For the moment I am stuck working on PC's and the internet,because that's where the money is. If you have access to the usenet atari groups,which I no longer have access to, you may be able to pick up more from some of the former BBS operators, you can give them my blessings. Cheers, Good Luck, & Happy Holidays! The Shadow (David) the conversation went on from there about Ansi support and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I thought I had Carina almost working. I removed all the baud rate stuff I could find and locked it to 9600. Set the variable M to 14 right before the XIO36 command. I can connect no problem, and the system can close the Telnet connection. However, I am having two problems. First, the easy one: UDS-10 or the BBS (or both) are echoing characters. I get a duplicate of everything I type on the internet side. This is not related to the ATE0 / ATE1 command. That only changes echo on the Atari side. The difficult one: Sometimes it crashes hard, requiring reset to be pressed. It always crashes to the Self-Test screen. Sometimes with random characters, see picture. The only time I see it happen is when It is recycling after some internet hacker scans port 23. It only sometimes does this, so I can't be sure if it happens when logging on locally or not. It hasn't yet. Not on my Windows machine or on the Atari. I suspect it may sometime, but no proof yet. It may be related to a certain number of disconnects at the login prompt. Could this be somehow related to the SpartaDOS 3.x Incognito clock problem? I don't know for sure if it is BASIC code related, or in one of the many, many USR routines. It seems to happen right around the time when I hear several concurrent I/O switches and status commands. Bluetooth / HiSIO are both turned off in the BIOS. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) A little more info. I just found out that I had the source code for M.O.E. It is here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/235991-slim-version-of-carina-ii-moe-source-code-for-sdx/ Edit: as least one version of it, but it's better than nothing. Edited February 14, 2017 by Kyle22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Possible update: I used UFLASH to change Incognito from Altirra BASIC to Atari BASIC Rev. C and Carina hasn't crashed since. This has been about an hour into the test, but it was crashing more than this before. It has NOT crashed since I switched to running it with BASIC C (yet, we'll see.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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