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#1 grips03 ONLINE  

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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:41 AM

Has anyone tried this O2 mod?

 

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The RGB output circuit has been copied from the Videopac G7200 console.

It's the circuit that is enclosed in the red line in the schematic below.

The signals of this circuit with the numbered red dots should be connected to the corresponding numbered red dots in the schematic of the Odyssey2 console below. For dots 5 and 6 an inverter should be inserted before connecting them (74LS04).

 

http://ozyr.com/rene...d/G7200_rgb.jpg
http://ozyr.com/rene...hematic_rgb.jpg

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If yes, can you help answer the questions below.

 

Between IC653 and IC652 there is a vertical black line.  Is this to denote a header to G7200's CRT and hence is not needed for O2 RGB board?

Does IC653 pin 11 connect to IC652 pin 9 and pin 13?
Does IC653 pin 8 connect to IC652 pin 3

What does "&" mean inside of IC653?
What does "1" mean inside IC652?
I assume IC656 is not needed as its not in the red area, does that sound right?

 

I think these two are related to SCART pin 8/select and pin 16/blanking.  Do you agree?
Are D698 and R749 needed?  If it is needed where does one pick up +2v.  Signal name is Status CVBS.  Perhaps this is optional.
Is R723 needed, this appears to be a resistor connected to +5v, signal name is Status RGB.  Perhaps this is optional.
 

 

IC652 is 7407

IC653 is 74LS08

IC656 is 74LS08



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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:13 AM

Parts list:

 

R751  100 ohm

 

R774  180 ohm

 

R738  470 ohm

 

R736  560 ohm
R737  560 ohm
R735  560 ohm

 

R773  680 ohm

R747  1k5  aka 1.5K ohm
R746  1k5
R748  1k5

R733  4k7  aka 4.7K ohm
R772  4k7

 

C854  10nf  aka 10000pf or .01uf   .1 or 2.54mm spaced
C852  10nf

D696  1N4148  DO-35
D693  1N4148
D694  1N4148
D695  1N4148
D692  1N4148
D697  1N4148

 

74LS04 to invert points 5 and 6
IC652  7407   DIP14
IC653  74LS08    DIP14

TS681  BC548B  TO-92

 

 

DIN - 8 pin female / panel mount  SD-80LS (Digikey)

6 foot DIN 8 male cables assembly 10-00438 (Digikey)



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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:13 AM

I haven't done the mod, but here's my thoughts:

 

The vertical black line is the 4 signals, shown as a bus, LGBR - similar as shown in the RAM above it.

Does IC653 pin 11 connect to IC652 pin 9 and pin 13? - Yes
Does IC653 pin 8 connect to IC652 pin 3 - Yes
What does "&" mean inside of IC653? - AND gate? If not, doesn't matter?
What does "1" mean inside IC652? - Buffer? If not, doesn't matter?
I assume IC656 is not needed as its not in the red area, does that sound right? - I think you'll need that if it's not already there.
I think these two are related to SCART pin 8/select and pin 16/blanking.  Do you agree? - Probably agree = don't need.
 


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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:04 AM

 

I haven't done the mod, but here's my thoughts:

 

The vertical black line is the 4 signals, shown as a bus, LGBR - similar as shown in the RAM above it.

Does IC653 pin 11 connect to IC652 pin 9 and pin 13? - Yes
Does IC653 pin 8 connect to IC652 pin 3 - Yes
What does "&" mean inside of IC653? - AND gate? If not, doesn't matter?
What does "1" mean inside IC652? - Buffer? If not, doesn't matter?
I assume IC656 is not needed as its not in the red area, does that sound right? - I think you'll need that if it's not already there.
I think these two are related to SCART pin 8/select and pin 16/blanking.  Do you agree? - Probably agree = don't need.
 

 

 

For the first rev of the pcb I'm going to leave out the bus as I can't figure out why one would mix the RGB colors before sending to 7407 buffer. 

 

Yes, you got it "&" for AND gate, then "1" Buffer, on OR gate they did "> =  (vertically) 1" .  Think this is the first time I saw that on a schematic.  Kind of a cool little short hand.

 

I was able to confirm these signals are for SCART pin8 and PIN 16, so will leave off as I plan to use with XRGB and PVM.

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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:35 AM

That vertical "bus" line is just a representation of all separate signals. It is not showing that they should be mixed together. I am not a fan of showing multiple signals as a single bus as it adds confusion. It confused me when I built this mod for my O2.



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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:54 AM

That verrical "bus" line is just a representation of all separate signals. It is not showing that they should be mixed together. I am not a fan of showing multiple signals as a single bus as it adds confusion. It confused me when I built this mod for my O2.

 

edit: I found the diodes under the masking tape.



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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:10 AM

Inputs to RGB PCB  Going to use 2x5 / 10 pin IDC header

Sync -  612160 pin 8  or  P8244  pin 5

Blank -  612160  pin 9

Red - 612160 pin 10  or   P8244  pin 18

Video / [L]uma - 612160 pin  11

Blue - 612160 pin 12  or  P8244  pin 20

Green - 612160 pin 13  or  P8244  pin 19
Audio - P8244  pin 27
 

+5v = various spots

GND = various spots

 

612160 Color Encoder is labeled IC1 on O2 system board

P8244 is labeled IC5 on O2 system board

 

 

Outputs from RGB PCB   Going to use 2x5 / 10 pin IDC header connected to DIN 8

Red - DIN pin 5

Green - DIN pin 8

Blue - DIN pin 3

Audio - DIN pin 7

Sync - DIN pin 4

GND - DIN pin 2



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Posted Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:36 PM

Would be great if someone could compare to the original schematic to see if I made any errors.

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Posted Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:06 PM

 

edit: I found the diodes under the masking tape.

 

Yup, they are there!  :)



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Posted Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:27 PM

Updated audio section.  Added Status RGB in case its needed.

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Posted Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:21 AM

This will be great!



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Posted Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:26 AM

Interesting. I wouldn't mod mine though. I don't have any issued with simple RF + Coaxial Adapter.



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Posted Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:45 PM

RGB board works.  Need to wire to DIN and test audio next.

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Posted Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:14 PM

RGB mod pcb works perfect.  Video and audio tested. Uses composite sync.  Very happy with results.

 

I would install the DIN 8 near the X and not near the spot I picked as it can rub against the system board. 

 

 

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Posted Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:52 PM

Very nice... the picture quality looks awesome.

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Posted Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:56 PM

Very nice... the picture quality looks awesome.

Thanks.  Pictures are of 52 inch LCD TV

 

O2--->RGB --->XRGB2--->VGA--->TV


Edited by grips03, Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:50 PM.


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Posted Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:19 PM

Updated pin names.   Inputs to RGB PCB  2x5 / 10 pin IDC header

 

IDC Pin 1 / VCC = +5v

IDC Pin 2 / Composite Sync -  612160 pin 8  or  P8244  pin 5

IDC Pin 3 / Blank -  612160  pin 9

IDC Pin 4 / Red - 612160 pin 10  or   P8244  pin 18

IDC Pin 5 / Luma - 612160 pin  11   - currently labeled VID on rev 2 pcb

IDC Pin 6 / Blue - 612160 pin 12  or  P8244  pin 20

IDC Pin 7 / Green - 612160 pin 13  or  P8244  pin 19
IDC Pin 8 / Audio - P8244  pin 27

IDC Pin 9 / GND

IDC Pin 10 / GND



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Posted Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:14 PM

I'm selling bare Odyssey 2 RGB  PCB for $20 +$5 shipping in the US.  This is for pcb only, you will need to add electronics / wiring.  Also works with Videopac G7000

 

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Send me a PM with your email address to order.  I'll send you paypal.com invoice.



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Posted Mon Feb 6, 2017 7:54 AM

Updated audio section.  Added Status RGB in case its needed.

Status RGB is very needed for SCART TVs.

Only a handful of TV offer the option to select between AV and RGB on the SCART input, so without the RGB status line, the TV will default to composite.



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Posted Mon Feb 6, 2017 1:01 PM

^^ 100% agree with CatPix. At the retro gaming expo I was arranging last weekend, we had several computers outputting RGB through a SCART cable where the RGB select signal was not enabled. Only a few of the CRT TV's we had brought had the option to manually select RGB mode, which meant some careful mixing and matching to get as many systems as possible running.


Edited by carlsson, Mon Feb 6, 2017 1:02 PM.


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I would be interested in one of the PCB's.  How to we order one?



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Posted Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:11 AM

In post #13 I have RGB board installed on the system board.  It fits ok, however it would have been better if I lined up the corners. 



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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:35 AM

Updated Parts list to buy from Digikey, Mouser, etc.

All resistors are 1/4watt  axial 1%.

 

R723 47 ohm  (not usually needed, RGB status only)

R751  100 ohm

R774  180 ohm

R738  470 ohm

Qty 3 R735, R736, R737  560 ohm

R773  680 ohm

Qty 3 R746 (labeled R745 on pcb), R747, R748  1k5  aka 1.5K ohm

Qty 2 R772, R733  4k7  aka 4.7K ohm
 
Qty 2 C852, C854  10nf  aka 10000pf or .01uf   .1 or 2.54mm spaced

Qty 6  D692-D697  1N4148  DO-35  

74LS04      (to invert points 5 and 6)  - labeled IC3 on the RGB PCB.
IC652  7407   DIP14
IC653  74LS08    DIP14

TS681  BC548B  TO-92
 
DIN - 8 pin female / panel mount  SD-80LS (Digikey)
6 foot DIN 8 male cables assembly 10-00438 (Digikey)

Qty 1    H3CCS-1036M (Digikey)  <-- this is 10 position ribbon cable with connector on it
Qty 2    302-S101  (Digikey)     <--this is 4 wall shrouded header that accepts the cable above
Qty 1    SCART plug 21 pin male connector (Console5.com)



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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:59 AM

RGB out of the O2 - man, you guys are hardcore! What's next, HDMI out of the original Odyssey?    :rolling:   



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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:48 PM

Inputs to RGB PCB  2x5 / 10 pin IDC header (updated 2/26/2017)

 

Best to use IC1/612160 for the inputs, except for audio.

 

IDC Pin 1 / VCC +5v / 612160 Pin 1

IDC Pin 2 / Composite Sync -  612160 pin 8  or  P8244  pin 5

IDC Pin 3 / Blank -  612160  pin 9

IDC Pin 4 / Red - 612160 pin 10  or   P8244  pin 18

IDC Pin 5 / Luma - 612160 pin  11   - Labeled VID on rev 2 and LUM on rev 2a pcb

IDC Pin 6 / Blue - 612160 pin 12  or  P8244  pin 20

IDC Pin 7 / Green - 612160 pin 13  or  P8244  pin 19
IDC Pin 8 / Audio - P8244  pin 27

IDC Pin 9 / GND / 612160 Pin 15 or 16

IDC Pin 10 / GND  - Normally not connected (spare)

 

Outputs from RGB PCB towards DIN 8 connector.
IDC Pin 1 = RED
IDC pin 2 = GRN / Green
IDC Pin 3 = BLU / Blue
IDC Pin 4 = SC / Composite Sync
IDC Pin 5 = AUD / Audio
IDC Pin 6 = SR / Status RGB - not used for XRGB
IDC Pin 7 = NC
IDC Pin 8 = NC
IDC Pin 9 = NC
IDC Pin 10 = GND






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