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#1 RestoLynx OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:25 AM

Hi.

 

Looking for a bit of input on a sound problem on a Lynx II, pulled it out of a box after about 15 years and the sound was a bit distorted for a few days then just stopped, nothing from the headphones or the speaker.

 

So I changed all the sound capacitors as my starting point and still no sound, then I started following the schematic tracing the circuit, but discovered my board has two LM386s, meaning it is probably more similar to this schematic (after the volume control), posted in this thread, like this:

 

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Hoping that everything before the volume control is the same as the original schematic; I put the two together and got this:

 

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I put the speaker on C16 and got a the hear Chips Challenge, but it was very quiet. The path on my board from C16 goes: C16-> R42 -> Volume control -> R94 ->LM386. So I jumped C16 to the following and got:

 

  • R42: Nothing
  • Volume Control inputs: Nothing
  • Volume Control Outputs: Nothing
  • R93: Quiet output on right channel
  • (R94 : Quiet output on leftchannel)

 

In my head that points to the signal at C16 (or C58) being very weak, as both LM386s are unlikely to be faulty. So what is my next step, my plan was to pull the RF shield to see if the hex invertor has a dry joint or if there is something going on there, but tbh I could do with some help and guidance, any ideas?

 

Thanks


Edited by RestoLynx, Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:10 AM.


#2 karri OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:04 AM

The most common audio flaw is from inserting a DC power plug into the headphone jack. This burns the speaker that will show the symptoms you just described.



#3 RestoLynx OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:45 AM

The most common audio flaw is from inserting a DC power plug into the headphone jack. This burns the speaker that will show the symptoms you just described.

 

Thanks karri, so I've read, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened as I've owned it from new and had to wire the power supply directly to the board about a year after I got it because the socket fell out! (Speaker appears to be fine as it is showing ~16Ohms)



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Posted Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:52 AM

Well, it is not only the ohms. It may be mechanically broken. Usually moving parts break more likely than solid chips. You could check the volume control and the speaker first.

 

I have no good ideas of where the error is. Just guessing.



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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:09 AM

Check L12, L20 and R44 and the volume control pot for continuity/resistance/bad solder joints. Other than that without a oscilloscope to trace the audio signal I think it may prove to be a difficult fault to find if it is not the speaker. 



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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:06 AM

Check L12, L20 and R44 and the volume control pot for continuity/resistance/bad solder joints. Other than that without a oscilloscope to trace the audio signal I think it may prove to be a difficult fault to find if it is not the speaker. 

 

Thanks for the input: Volume control pot tested fine (multimeter), I resoldered the connections just in case, I'll check the L12/L20/R44 and let ye know. What is the function of L12/L20?



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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:49 AM

audio transformer.



#8 RestoLynx OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:43 PM

No joy :(
 
I pulled the shield and spent a bit of time working on it and got the following: I went through all the resistors and checked L12/L20 and they are all good, everything is reading as they should (R44 isn't on my board, it just goes to ground). As before I put a speaker across anything in the audio circuit with the following:
 
Before R40: I could hear the music clearly
After R40: very quiet, but there is music
After C16: Very quiet and a bit distorted
After R42: Nothing
 
So then i decided to reconnect the speaker and short from before R40 to R93/R94 and I get something out of the speaker, but it is quiet (headphones are clearer)
 
I'm guessing that the signal shouldn't drop off after R42 so badly that I wouldn't be able to hear anything at all through a speaker, I'm wondering is it the inverter that is gone and it's output isn't strong enough? How would I test this without a scope?


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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:31 PM

You could start by re-soldering the legs of all the chips in the audio chain. The reason could by solder getting cracked by old age.

 

If you have spare chips then change them.



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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:16 AM

Ok, so before I break out the iron again (or buy an oscilloscope!), is there a way to test if the inverter (U7) is faulty/bad connections?

 

Should the levels of a speaker connected to U7 be similar regardless of which side it is on? So if it is quiet after U7, but super loud before it then u7 is faulty... correct?

 

Thanks for the help



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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:40 PM

FIXED!!!! 

 

It was a bad solder joint on the inductor (L21) that supplied power to the audio circuit. I missed it because it was supplying .48v and not 4.8v, so when I looked at the meter I thought it was good, also with a bit of power I was getting the weirdness above which was confusing.

 

Thanks everyone for your advice. :)



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Posted Tue Oct 2, 2018 7:56 AM

@RestoLynx you just became my favorite person. I was prepping my Lynx II for a McWill LCD but had no sound and was trying to convince myself that I didn't mind... So I started poking around on the web and came across this post and your solution... Not only did it give me a starting point, but what are the odds... Mine had EXACTLY the same problem. Had it powered up and as soon as I touched L21 with my MultiMeter the probe bridged the bad joint and I instantly heard sound. I'm still relatively new at this stuff, so it probably would have taken me forever to even get to that point from a diagnostics standpoint if I hadn't stumbled across your post! So... Thanks!!!



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Posted Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:25 AM

I had this same sound problem and found this thread. I had tested and traced everything with no luck. I read here about the L21 and resoldered it and boom my sound works.

This forum is great!! 

Thanks' to all who contribute!!






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