cobra429 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Tonight I was checking on ebay looking for a spare switch for my heavy sixer when I found someone selling a extremely rare 1977 japanese heavy six atari. However knowing that they never made them for Japan and eventually made a sleek version for them in late 1983 I had to ask him how he knows it's the real deal since the price he's looking for is almost a thousand bucks. He just claims that they sold only a few of them back in 1977 for Japan even tho it's the exact box that I have. Even his joysticks for that system are not even original to that sixer.... mine has the name atari on the top of my joysticks. He kept telling me I don't know what I'm taking about and to do my research. I've been collecting since 1987 and have done many of years of my own research. He's a fraud. Don't buy from him. As of now he's still on ebay trying to sell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Link to auction? Name of seller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool80skid Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/182438629156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlegamer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Did Rose move to Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra429 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 He said that there's alot of pictures of the heavy sixers that made in Japan on the net, but I looked for a long while and found none except 2 of his pictures that's on ebay. Claims that many atari collectors know about this particular unit but I and a few other collectors never saw or heard of this early version. Pisses me when someone is trying to claim something that's the real deal when in fact its a fake and can't even prove its real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo-Torch Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 This collector claims the system has 128K of RAM and each CONTROLLER has an additional 4K of RAM. Anyone stupid enough to buy from that guy deserves what they get. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra429 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 I'm going back and forth with him on ebay telling him it's just a standard American heavy sixer, and he gets defensive saying its real, along with the controllers and such and I don't know what I'm talking about. Kind of funny and sad at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoatomic Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I'm going back and forth with him on ebay telling him it's just a standard American heavy sixer, and he gets defensive saying its real, along with the controllers and such and I don't know what I'm talking about. Kind of funny and sad at the same time I wouldn't waste my time laboring under the assumption that he doesn't know that what he's doing is dishonest :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The s/n sticker on the box doesn't match the one on the console. How does he explain that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoatomic Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Also, look at how all of the stickers are fresh and white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyluli Wolf Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) The s/n sticker on the box doesn't match the one on the console. How does he explain that? Exactly what I was looking at. Can't see the serial number on the inner packing cardboard but I'll bet it doesn't match either. I wouldn't mind having that heavy sixer box though, it has the chess piece Where are the cx-10 joysticks? ah well. Edited March 3, 2017 by Wyluli Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I guess eventually some sucker will fall for his con. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra429 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 He claims the joysticks are original to that system, which are not. He won't tell me what the s/not is on the packaging because he claims sometime can "copy" it and have it on their system. What the f*ck is he talking about!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) He claims the joysticks are original to that system, which are not. He won't tell me what the s/not is on the packaging because he claims sometime can "copy" it and have it on their system. What the f*ck is he talking about!? HELLO? I will ask again - Link to auction? Name of seller? UPDATE NEVER MIND - ATTENTION FAILURE. Edited March 3, 2017 by OldSchoolRetroGamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperboy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 HELLO? I will ask again - Link to auction? Name of seller? Did you check out post #3? Sent from my non beer holding hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 HELLO? I will ask again - Link to auction? Name of seller? The link is in post #3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) The link is in post #3. Ah thanks guys! I swear I went up and down the thread 2X! Haven't had my morning coffee yet and apparently I am still asleep. Thanks for the link! I think the auction title is somewhat misleading, it is not a Japanese Heavy 6'er but supposedly the Epoch sticker simply implies it was imported to Japan by the import company Epoch. The stickers seem to indicate as much, I am no expert on such things but is that so impossible a claim? Do the stickers not seem authentic? Edited March 3, 2017 by OldSchoolRetroGamer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That sticker on the unit looks odd to me. The font doesn't match most of the stickers out there and the s/n digits are oddly out of alignment. So I did some research in the heavy sixer registry thread and did find some examples. They all seem to be units with a second sticker that was applied over the original. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/76656-the-official-heavy-sixer-serial-number-list/?view=findpost&p=1384038 http://atariage.com/forums/topic/76656-the-official-heavy-sixer-serial-number-list/?view=findpost&p=2026694 http://atariage.com/forums/topic/76656-the-official-heavy-sixer-serial-number-list/page-28?do=findComment&comment=1584691 http://atariage.com/forums/topic/76656-the-official-heavy-sixer-serial-number-list/page-7?do=findComment&comment=1019733 If you look closely at the ebay auction, you can see that there is indeed two stickers! I don't know if there is a conclusion on what this means, but the assumption I read in the thread is that these are refurbished units. I don't know what this means for this unit, but it might be a clue to the machines history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't know what to make of this. Even if it was real (and I have no idea), there doesn't seem to be much that's special about it. I understand that collectors sometimes go nuts over very minor things (I'm guilty of that myself), but this is literally all about an Epoch sticker. Otherwise it's totally just a regular US-made heavy sixer. It just may or may not have actually been sold outside the US. Just really having a hard time figuring out how that makes it worth $1,000, or really any premium at all over any other heavy sixer. I'm also pretty sure that the 2800 this dude is selling in another listing for $600 is the exact same one I saw on Yahoo Auctions Japan last week that went for $165. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuAngel Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 He put a Japanese sticker on the bottom of his Sunnyvale Heavy Sixer. Is he claiming it was manufactured in Japan? If so, report the auction as a counterfeit item. If he's just saying it was imported TO Japan, I guess it could be legit. But I'd still be worried, it looks like the stickers on the bottom of the console were applied at different times (like DECADES apart, not just weeks or months, as would be the case if it were imported to Japan). The bottom sticker with Japanese writing have almost no wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra429 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Funny how its all in English on the box, and everyone on the box looks American to me. He said all atari boxes there have no Japanese people or writing on them. Yet I found plenty that do lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 There´s another "Japanese heavy-sixer" on this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/249042-is-this-a-japanese-heavy-sixer/ Epoch was a huge games & toys manufacturer in 80´s Japan. It even released its own console in 1981, the Cassette Vision. So between american lauch date (1977) and the Cassette Vision it doesn´t seem that unlikely that Epoch was importing some units for local distribution. Also, we saw the same thing happen to the Channel F. It was indeed imported and sold in Japan by a third-party company - and just like that, using the original american box. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-Fairchild-CHANNEL-F-Game-Console-VIDEOCART-BOX-Japan-VINTAGE-JUNK-RARE-/232257905903?hash=item3613a664ef:g:jCEAAOSw~AVYt-ED I don´t know, this guy may have something interesting after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Some info confirms that Epoch indeed imported and distributed Atari consoles to Japan before the A2800. http://www.usgamer.net/articles/why-did-atari-fail-in-japan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Sorry about the flood, I´m finding things and dropping them here. So... An aucion in Japan for an Atari Video Pinball with the same caracteristic: American box, some japanese paperwork and a sticker saying "Channel 2": http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g142645170 I thing this guy might be legit. I´m bothered with the serial numbers but I guess someone might have used two different sources, a box + cardboard from one kit and a loose heavy sixer? Anyway, it seems the story adds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KaeruYojimbo Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 The description with the stuff about 128K of RAM and 4K in the joysticks (I can see 128K as a typo, but where the hell did the joystick thing come from??) appears in many 2600 listings (if you read a little further it's also clearly describing a 4-switcher). I haven't sold on eBay in over a decade, but I'm guessing this is something they include automatically or give the seller the option to include. Maybe someone should let them know how incorrect it is. Assuming they care. I believe this could legitimately be an American-made 2600 imported for sale in Japan. That being the case, the console isn't "mega rare," the stickers on it and the box are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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