Savetz Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 The seller told me: "My neighbor was moving and decided he didn't want to take a huge Atari collection with him. I purchased it off of him. He told me that his sister worked for Atari for many years and that he got most of his stuff from her." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Very interesting. Too bad much of this is over my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 @Tempest Basically, IMHO, this is the best debugger I've seen yet for the Atari 8-bit, and then some. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 @Tempest Basically, IMHO, this is the best debugger I've seen yet for the Atari 8-bit, and then some. -Thom But where on earth did it come from? Is it an internally developed Atari product? Was it ever sold to the public? It's all very mysterious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Good question, this has in-house internal software written all over it...but what's even queerer is the fact that the disk releases are NUMBERED. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 On a hunch, I emailed Harry Stewart (Atari PILOT, WSFN, not interviewed yet) asking him if he knew anything about it: He wrote: "Amoeba was a debugger developed internally by Atari. Paul Laughton was manager at the time, and employee Amy Chen was the developer. The name was a play on the words – “Amy’s debugger.” I’ll look to see if I have any additional information, and will scan it and send you the scans if I do." —Kevin 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 On a hunch, I emailed Harry Stewart (Atari PILOT, WSFN, not interviewed yet) asking him if he knew anything about it: He wrote: "Amoeba was a debugger developed internally by Atari. Paul Laughton was manager at the time, and employee Amy Chen was the developer. The name was a play on the words – “Amy’s debugger.” I’ll look to see if I have any additional information, and will scan it and send you the scans if I do." —Kevin Well there you go. Mystery solved! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 @Thom: From 'The Doctor': Thom you are doing an excellent explanation of the Amoeba toolkit, I really do enjoy watching this. Please play with Amoeba just a bit more . Totally agree with, did took a too quick look at it and thought it is just another debugger, because I was already fixed on BUG/65. You are dam right and your movie speaks a clear language, Amoeba really has some nice features. :-) Maybe we should face an ultimate debugger in the future, too? But Thom, please do not forget to finish your outstanding work with the 2KB-educational system master cart... We really are hot for your work, as always. @Tempest: But where on earth did it come from? Kevin, who else? Is it an internally developed Atari product? Must be, else I would have known of it. Before I started with the Wiki, I have collected all(!) ads of everything about Atari, then wiped out the program, when it did arrived. The remaining ones are in the Rarity 10 site. Amoeba wasn't listed there.... Was it ever sold to the public? No, please see above. It's all very mysterious. No, it is just Kevin is doing his job, as always... :-) Further, there will be big things in the future, too... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 That is pretty cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Kevin, you have your next interviewee. -Thom 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 :-) Cool, anyway, we can ask Paul, too. Interesting how many women worked in the dark with incredible programs... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) you have the direct line now so I deleted this as it's no longer useful Edited April 7, 2017 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Thank you Doctor, have already done, Paul already answered, everything is running in the background already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Ah, so that's how Paul magically found my youtube vid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 just to entertain in the meantime... http://www.laughton.com/paul/abps/oss/oss.html http://www.laughton.com/paul/abps/oss/two_births.html you might read about some more as we pass the time and you can familiarize yourself with some stories.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I am using Amoeba as my debugger alongside AMAC, to help develop the programmers text editor (called 'Keypunch') that I want to replace MEDIT. It has proven to be incredibly effective. If this were my only debugger, I would be quite happy...even without such hypervisory niceness like seeing the traceback of the last X instructions (only possible either in emulators, or with logic analyzers or ICE systems). Amy did a great job, and it makes me wonder what the final version was like. -Thom 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) I wonder how much work would be involved in getting Amoeba to work under XL/XE operating systems? Edited April 18, 2017 by MrFish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 :-) Already running in the background... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 This looks like a nice debugger. Are there any features that would make me consider using it instead of Omnimon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 This looks like a nice debugger. Are there any features that would make me consider using it instead of Omnimon? Well, if you HAVE Omnimon, then..that will be a tough sell, I must admit. It's extremely resilient as it hooks everywhere it can so that one can get back into Amoeba when things crash. Usually a BREAK key is all I need to get back in, or a warm start and restart at wherever I place it. It's also got a facility to patch code in at different points, up to 8 patch points, which can be turned on or off by the debugger. This works well with the built in mini-assembler. You may want to give it a spin and see what you think, and report back. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Well, if you HAVE Omnimon, then..that will be a tough sell, I must admit. It's extremely resilient as it hooks everywhere it can so that one can get back into Amoeba when things crash. Usually a BREAK key is all I need to get back in, or a warm start and restart at wherever I place it. It's also got a facility to patch code in at different points, up to 8 patch points, which can be turned on or off by the debugger. This works well with the built in mini-assembler. You may want to give it a spin and see what you think, and report back. -Thom I watched your video so I have an idea of what it can do but haven't tried it out yet. I just started playing around with Omnimon since I installed the Antonia4mb and I like its features but it would be nice to have a user interface like Amoeba. I was just wondering if there were other good features. The patching sounds like it could be usefull for tracking down bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 FYI, I have a interview with Amy scheduled for early May, so we'll see what she remembers about final version. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Kevin, you are a (%@# phenom. -Thom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 A living legend... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetz Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Here's my interview with Amy, who created Amoeba. ANTIC Interview 281 - Amy Chen: Touch Typing, Amoeba Debugger, De Re Atari —Kevin 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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