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#26 therealbountybob OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:55 PM

Dollars from Heaven - 560 lv3!

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The game does get faster, I might be tempted to make a few changes - nice example of player missile graphics for anyone wanting to get started!



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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:14 AM


Latest Tables

Spare Change (we'll go for level x 1m plus score)

reminder: play on 800 OS / use the translator utility on XL/XE or the game has issues on level 2 ;)
  1st   Deteacher               9,443,07  12pts
  2nd   therealbountybob        6,222,93  11pts
  3rd   JK40001                 6,221,77  10pts
  4th   RedThunder              2,125,23  9pts
  5th   carlsson                2,106,49  8pts
  6th   McKong                  2,105,46  7pts

Money Hungry
  1st   Deteacher                  1,062     5pts
  2nd   JK40001                      824     4pts
  3rd   carlsson                     773     3pts
  4th   therealbountybob             681     2pts
  5th   devwebcl                     617     1pt

Money Bags
  1st   JK40001                    3,010     4pts
  2nd   Deteacher                  2,010     3pts
  3rd   therealbountybob           1,960     2pts
  4th   carlsson                   1,830     1pt

Dollars from Heaven
  1st   JK40001                    1,340     4pts
  2nd   carlsson                     830     3pts
  3rd   Deteacher                    580     2pts
  4th   therealbountybob             560     1pt

 

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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:50 AM

Most likely I won't have any spare time to play Spare Change before the end of this round. I'm happy that I got to level 2 anyway, even if with the translator I might get even further.



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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:48 AM

reminder: play on 800 OS / use the translator utility on XL/XE or the game has issues on level 2 ;)

 

What are the issues on level 2? I thought I had played this quite a bit on XL/XE before without any problems.


Edited by MrFish, Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:18 AM.


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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:03 AM

 

What's are the issues on level 2? I thought I had played this quite a bit on XL/XE before without any problems.

See posts on 1st page - I'm on a 130XE graphics corrupt and player's speed/game speed does not increase as it should making it too hard - ok after booting with translator. Unless this an issue with this ATR - I've asked fandal to take a look if he has time :)



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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:33 AM

See posts on 1st page - I'm on a 130XE graphics corrupt and player's speed/game speed does not increase as it should making it too hard - ok after booting with translator. Unless this an issue with this ATR - I've asked fandal to take a look if he has time :)

 

OK, I see all the comments now. None of that rings a bell for me -- but it's been some years since I've played. Have you tried using Farb's ATX?

 

The reason I'm curious is because it's a game from 1983, when the XL's were already released. Most games requiring OS-A of OS-B are at least a little older. That's not to say it couldn't happen though; it's just got me curious.



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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:50 AM

I like to download to real disks on my 1050 using APE so only use the ATRs. 'll look and see if there are other copies out there, maybe this is a bad one. Ctrl-V to show the High Score Table will be a quick way of comparing them :)



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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:04 AM

I like to download to real disks on my 1050 using APE so only use the ATRs. 'll look and see if there are other copies out there, maybe this is a bad one. Ctrl-V to show the High Score Table will be a quick way of comparing them :)

 

I just verified, I was using the same copy as you are.

 

It's probably long enough ago that I was using Atari800Win PLus 4.0. There are definitely instances where things are fine in A8WP and not in Altirra or real hardware. So, maybe a little less surprising that the issue may not have appeared for me back then.


Edited by MrFish, Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:05 AM.


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Posted Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:01 PM

Dollars from Heaven 1,120 reached level 6, probably can get further by not jumping the nails to get the dollars and risk getting hit (by speeding achors) as there doesn't seem to be a penalty for missing them? Like I said a nice example of Player Missile Graphics and it plays pretty well.

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Money Bags 4,410 level 4 still not sure about their logic but this one is more challenging and better than it's atarimania rating!

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Posted Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:56 AM

Atarionline.pl have 2 copies of Spare Change, the first one is the same as Fandal's disk, the 2nd "Spare Change (1983)(Broderbund)(US)[a].atr" has a different high score table. More later when I've checked it out!

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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:08 AM

Spare Change is even better than I remembered it to be! Must have played this a lot as I (barely) made it to level 4 on my second try and 173.450 brought me to no. 3 on the high score table of the Fandal version linked in post 1.

 

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This must easily be one of the best Apple II ports for the Atari. Any ideas on whether this is a straight port or if it does use P/M graphics anywhere for enhancement? I tend to think it doesn't as I can't find any but 4 colours.

 

Off to work now!



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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:23 AM

My copy stopped working (at end of "speedster" zerk show after level 1) perhaps after saving the high score last time I played. Fandal is hopefully disassembling right now :grin: [after downloading it again to a blank disk has the same issue - strange

 

The 2nd atarionline.pl copy does not seem to be mountable using APE though it runs under emulation :ponder:

 

 

Reminder Round and Poll close tomorrow morning (Sunday) !


Edited by therealbountybob, Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:40 AM.


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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:33 AM

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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:48 AM

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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:04 AM

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Posted Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:34 PM

Bonus Games: 

 

Money Hungry: 346

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Money Bags: 1570

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Money Pouch: 150 (gave up)

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Posted Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:07 AM

I'm now thinking Spare Change has a bug / intermittent problem, and it's not an OS issue. It seemed to lock (screen corruption) up on "The Speedster" animation at the end of level 1 - other times it has been ok. The other issue was it reaching level 2 and having corrupted screen lines and slower gameplay, perhaps this relates to a certain intermission too :ponder:  Hopefully Fandal can get to the bottom of this as we've found a nice game here.

 

Thanks for playing and congratulations to Deteacher for the win :thumbsup: The bonus games were ok for a quick go or two ;)

 

Final Tables

Spare Change (we'll go for level x 1m plus score)

  1st   Deteacher               9,443,07  12pts
  2nd   therealbountybob        6,222,93  11pts
  3rd   JK40001                 6,221,77  10pts
  4th   slx                     4,173,45  9pts
  5th   RedThunder              2,125,23  8pts
  6th   carlsson                2,106,49  7pts
  7th   McKong                  2,105,46  6pts

Money Hungry
  1st   Deteacher                  1,062     7pts
  2nd   JK40001                      824     6pts
  3rd   McKong                       807     5pts
  4th   carlsson                     773     4pts
  5th   therealbountybob             681     3pts
  6th   devwebcl                     617     2pts
  7th   slx                          346     1pt

Money Bags
  1st   McKong                     5,220     6pts
  2nd   therealbountybob           4,410     5pts
  3rd   JK40001                    3,010     4pts
  4th   Deteacher                  2,010     3pts
  5th   carlsson                   1,830     2pts
  6th   slx                        1,570     1pt

Dollars from Heaven
  1st   JK40001                    1,340     2pts
  2nd   therealbountybob           1,120     1pt
  3rd   carlsson                     830     1pt
  4th   McKong                       640     1pt
  5th   Deteacher                    580     1pt

 

Some additional bonus points

Carlsson 2pts for typing up Dollars from Heaven

Deteacher 1pt for the great info on Mountain King last round

captainclassic 1pt for his Crisis Mountain guide last round

 



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Posted Mon May 1, 2017 5:13 AM

FIXED VERSION OF SPARE CHANGE!

Atari Supremo Fandal has fixed the issue with Spare Change corruption/locking up here is the new version; probably his site has it too by now :)

Attached File  Spare Change fix.atr   90.02KB   29 downloads



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Posted Wed May 3, 2017 4:14 AM

Does this mean that it can be played on real hardware without the need for the translation utility? I didn't bother to play it again after you said that there were inconsistencies with the difficulty from level 2 onwards



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Posted Wed May 3, 2017 10:08 AM

Does this mean that it can be played on real hardware without the need for the translation utility? I didn't bother to play it again after you said that there were inconsistencies with the difficulty from level 2 onwards

Yes it's now fine on real hardware, but I've only played it a couple of goes :ponder:

 

I *think* that the problem was with the "Speedster" Zerk Show, I just thought it might be a translator issue and got lucky when I tried it as it's randomly picked. Possibly a corrupt image and this was not an issue on all copies out there.

 

Initial problem spotted was screen corruption on level 2 (and gameplay was slow making it too hard) not sure if this was related but it seems ok now also.

 

Pretty decent game especially for a 2 week HSC round, if anyone wants to post a late score or two then that is fine or you can wait until round 10's "Season catch-up and improve" :)



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Posted Fri May 5, 2017 1:43 PM

Made it past Level 4 and saw the show. 152980

L5 seemed to have some cosmetic issue right at the top, though I am not sure if it was the emulator.

 

Zerks are really nasty on L5. How did anyone manage to get past that level?

 

Altirra on PAL 400/800 with a Saitek gamepad.

 

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Posted Sat May 6, 2017 3:15 AM

Made it past Level 4 and saw the show. 152980

L5 seemed to have some cosmetic issue right at the top, though I am not sure if it was the emulator.

 

Zerks are really nasty on L5. How did anyone manage to get past that level?

 

Altirra on PAL 400/800 with a Saitek gamepad.

 

Was that with the fandal fixed version (above)?

 

From level 5 onwards I had to eek out a few at a time, repeatedly using the Zerk Show to keep them from getting 5. I did find that you can guard the bottom of your token box and they do go away and seem to follow some sort of routes. Make a lot of use of the amusements and sometimes start another just as one is ending. Always start the jukebox at the start of each set as there are a lot of tokens around :)


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Posted Sat May 6, 2017 3:37 AM

Thanks! Will give it another try but also have to try not to fall behind (you ;)) in Spelunker.

I think I played the original ATR but in 400/800 mode.


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Posted Tue May 9, 2017 11:21 AM

I enjoyed playing Spare Change because it makes more sense now. It was fun!

 

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