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#2276 Inky OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 8:12 AM

I think the very last thing that needs to be said about the convention is this:

Not even a Mr. Turtle pool?



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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 12:56 PM

Some leather products would have sufficed for me.... especially of the adult mistress variety!!!

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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 1:32 PM

Some leather products would have sufficed for me.... especially of the adult mistress variety!!!

 

I think they need to get back to their leather roots. 

 

Their new mascot is a step in the right direction. 

 

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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 3:21 PM

You know, it's funny now that I think about it.  How video of the Rainbow Brite gameplay was pretty much buried in the corner like Baby... it's ironic because I remember when Cardillo made a huge fuss about the Rainbow Brite license as if it were some world-shattering news.  If it was that huge, then he sure had a funny way of showing it at the expo.



I wasn't expecting to find any Dirty Dancing references buried in this thread.

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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 3:59 PM

I think all of this negativity may be causing people to overlook a huge elephant in the room bright side to all of this. Many of us would like to go to a gaming expo someday but money, finding the time to dedicate a vacation to one, etc. may be preventing that from happening. However, this expo has shown that all we have to do is go to our local flea markets and then we can mark going to a gaming expo off our bucket lists. For me, that means I have already been to many gaming expos.

 

Also, I strongly disagree that they did a poor job of representing the Coleco brand. In one of the pictures I saw a Snezzz hooked up. That fits the modern image of the brand perfectly.



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Posted Tue Aug 8, 2017 4:03 PM

Also, I strongly disagree that they did a poor job of representing the Coleco brand. In one of the pictures I saw a Snezzz hooked up. That fits the modern image of the brand perfectly.

 

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Posted Wed Aug 9, 2017 5:27 PM

I would have expected to see a wall of original ColecoVision consoles set up with every game ever released ready for people to play, not a freakin' Flashback and that's it??? I do love how that Facebook posts boasts about how many consoles were there, AT VENDOR BOOTHS !!!! :)

I almost got my friend to set up his CV/Adam collection there :) about 50-100 games and just about every add on. Including 10+ Prototype carts from the Barry Hausman collection. Sadly all his stuff is in storage atm tho


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Posted Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:30 PM

 

They acknowledged that there was "controversy" surrounding Cardillo and the event and yet appear to have chosen to either not educate themselves about the facts or to have ignored those facts.  Whatever their reason, their decision to attend and subsequently post public support for it is self-serving, a disservice to the ColecoVision fan community and borders on the disingenuous.

 

Their "public support" was hardly glowing, but some people aren't going to be happy with anything less than napalm and a MOAB to completely wipe out the bridge...



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Posted Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:34 PM


It frustrates me to see these kind of comments from the people who presented because it reads completely delusional.  I'm sorry, I just cannot believe anything those people say.  

"ColecoVision was decently represented."  What show were you guys at?!?!?  smh....

 

Yeah... a handful of CV's and mini-arcades for sale on vendor tables is hardly enough to justify calling it a "ColecoCon".  If Cardillo wasn't such an ultra-asshat, he probably would have solid relationships with the core Coleco devs from back in the day, and maybe even hardware designers, to bring them in to represent.  They're in the Tri-State area, he should have been able to tap past Coleco alumni for the panel, or even a booth.  Apparently, even the alumni don't want anything to do with him.



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Posted Wed Aug 9, 2017 6:36 PM

Peace loving person that I am, I had to look up MOAB ... Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or Mother Of All Bombs.

That would certainly be satisfying, but it would be nicer if these schmucks would just let the Coleco™ mark rest in peace.

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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:41 AM

I guess this should go in the "past events" section, but since it was on the same weekend as Coleco Expo Lameness Everyone Copped Out, I'm putting it here. 

 

SAAM Arcade at the American Art Museum was fun. Well attended, wide variety of activities, free to all. 

 

 

This past weekend, SAAM celebrated all that is good about video games when it hosted its annual SAAM Arcade. Almost 20,000 attended the two-day event held in the museum's Kogod Courtyard and throughout the museum. This is the third year SAAM has held this event as part of an ongoing initiative to showcase video games as an important part of our visual culture as well as study at the museum.

More than 40 student and professional developers participated in our "Indie Showcase" and visitors got to play classic games such as pinball, "Centipede," "Asteroids," "Pac-Man," and "Donkey Kong." Game-building and coding workshops were conducted by Boolean Girl and the Scholastic Art and Writing Awards. Meanwhile, in the museum's McEvoy Auditorium, musical groups Bit Brigade and Triforce Quartet performed songs inspired by classic video games. Here are some photos from the event:

 

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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:52 AM

Since we're talking about other cons, Game-On Expo is this weekend in Phoenix (Moved from Mesa) if anyone in AZ doesn't already know about it.

Last year was pretty good, Not a huge con, but this year it is at Phoenix Convention Center, Hall C (The old one), but it is a much much larger venue.

Cosplay may be reduced due to the comicon issue this year, with the nutjob bringing in real weapons planning to kill cops. No guns of any kind that resemble real ones, or airsoft, or pellet, etc. are allowed. So much for my P90 and Sidearm for my Stargate costume... The thing just isn't the same with just my 3D printed Zat.

 

I met the Retro VGS guys at this con last year (or was it the year before?). Sucks getting old.



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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:19 PM

I met the Retro VGS guys at this con last year (or was it the year before?). Sucks getting old.

Better to be old, wise and honest than be a Retro VGS guy



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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:39 AM

I thought politics were off limits on most of AA?

 

Yes, politics is off limits, so let's put a stop to that right now. 

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:55 AM

Heed the warning.



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Posted Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:17 PM

I don't know how to say it (keep in mind english is not my cup of tea) or where to say it, but...

 

I didn't want to react about the Coleco Expo 2017 because I wasn't there and I knew too well that I would have over-reacted and feel bad about it.

 

So, I've looked at what others who actually went there said about the Coleco Expo. I've took notes, and here's my opinion:

 

Coleco Expo? The idea itself is exciting; a gaming expo based on Coleco, I would love to see that and still want to. Let's be honest, the presence of a ColecoVision game and a flashback console do not make it a Coleco Expo. The number of vendors and visitors was not as expected for a gaming expo, especially with the amount of adverts and months of hype. A lesson from the past, hype and exageration can be very damaging (ex.: E.T. for Atari 2600). Also, alienating the homebrew community that kept the scene alive for the last 20 years, causing trouble and confusion (stop pretending to be related to Coleco Industries), and lying to do "damage control" and to attract attendees (exagerating the number of visitors and success), it's not what we call a job well done. I see some time and effort put in the project to make money... but how about the passion, the fans? When visitors and their friends mock the name and say it was a waste of time, it's not a good sign. Perhaps someone else would do it right, if another expo is made possible.

 

I'm not Coleco Industries, I'm just a guy who happens to care enough about what that rainbow logo represent to say :

 

YOU ARE FIRED !



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Posted Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:52 PM

Coleco Expo? The idea itself is exciting; a gaming expo based on Coleco, I would love to see that and still want to. Let's be honest, the presence of a ColecoVision game and a flashback console do not make it a Coleco Expo, especially with the amount of adverts and months of hype.

 

This quote right here sums it up perfectly.  This was not a "Coleco" expo.  And you're right about the months of hype.  How many times did we see the ColecoVision & Coleco logos along with pictures of the classic console system, mini arcade tabletops, character images from the games released on the classic system and almost *NONE* of that appeared at the expo:

 

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It was all over their promotional materials.  The "ColecoVision" logo appeared in the background of all their posted photography they published:

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and the classic gaming system logo appeared behind the featured DJ they had playing both days:

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Yet they only had ONE classic ColecoVision console set up, along with a couple of mini arcade tabletops, which were all off to the left of the entrance which was not featured in ANY of the reports I saw because it was so out of the way that people missed it, and they had ONE ColecoVision Flashback in their game room.

 

Daniel is absolutely correct.  This was not a "Coleco" Expo at all.  In fact, I'd even go as far to say there is certainly a case for false advertising here because you really were led to believe from looking at the promotional materials that this expo would at very least feature some of the iconic products you would have recognized from the former company's past history in some sort of prominent way.

 

And that most certainly didn't happen.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:44 AM

I don't know how to say it (keep in mind english is not my cup of tea) or where to say it, but...

 

Your English looks like a bigger cup of tea than Chris Cardillo's cup.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:45 AM

You guys are right, it really was a general retro gaming and collectibles expo, sponsored by Coleco. They had nintendo focused speakers and comic book speakers. The name and promotions were misleading, but a Coleco focused expo even with full support would never have worked at that scale. People want to play Halo and full arcade games. Vendors want to sell Nintendo stuff. Here's a video from a vendor; he does comment about the dispute at the very end but he would of gotten a one-sided story. https://m.youtube.co...h?v=R-TTnYtzAL0

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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:53 AM

Here's a video from a vendor; he does comment about the dispute at the very end but he would of gotten a one-sided story. https://m.youtube.co...h?v=R-TTnYtzAL0

 

Wow, yeah, I just watched (really scrubbed through) most of that video, and here is my take-away from what I watched:

 

 - "Heard it from the horse's mouth" so I'm assuming he's talking about Cardillo or Coleco employees are the ones that are spreading these untrue and potentially libellous statements.  I feel like we have now heard it from several vendors or guests of the show that someone from Coleco has talked about the "drama" as a way to justify an excuse to why the show was so poorly attended.

 

 - The whole "porn" thing keeps coming up over and over as the reason why Cardillo filed the claims on my page which is NOT TRUE!  Once again Chris Cardillo, this is a message to you: if this really was just about the games that contain a mild amount of *possibly* R-rated at best (most likely PG-13) content, retract all the claims EXCEPT for the "games that are not actually porn but you keep calling them that to make your screwed up version of the narrative sound more shocking than what it actually is."  But you won't do that because you know that isn't what this is actually about.

 

 - "The guy who owns the name Coleco filed cease and desist orders against the homebrewers that made the porn games" - No.  NO!  That's not what happened!  He filed them against ME!  An independent third party who had nothing to do with the production of any of those games!  Seriously, Coleco Holdings LLC, if you're going to tell a story, at least tell it correctly.  Oh, wait, I forgot you can't do that because that would make you guys look stupid, wouldn't it?   ;)

 

 - The whole time the guy walks around the show, the place is a ghost town.  And he walks around several times on both days.  I don't think I ever saw more than 10-20 people in any of his shots.  He even mentions in his video that he considers packing up hours early due to lack of guests and poor sales.

 

 - He said on the 2nd day "I'm glad I made that hundred bucks today or today would have been a bust."  Again, I don't know how things are at most shows, but I've heard of vendors making in the thousands of dollars at real retrogaming expos.

 

 - He mentions how people online unfairly slammed the convention. Everything that I saw reported online was from actual people who were at the show with videos and/or photos and all of those reports, including this guys' video, seem to know nothing or very little about any of the drama that happened from this thread. Those reports were ACTUAL REAL reports from paying customers, not people who went to the show to slam it.

 

*sigh* You can only shake your head in disgust and disappointment so much about the hands in which the Coleco brand is currently in.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:49 AM

 

 - He said on the 2nd day "I'm glad I made that hundred bucks today or today would have been a bust."  Again, I don't know how things are at most shows, but I've heard of vendors making in the thousands of dollars at real retrogaming expos.

 

 - He mentions how people online unfairly slammed the convention. Everything that I saw reported online was from actual people who were at the show with videos and/or photos and all of those reports, including this guys' video, seem to know nothing or very little about any of the drama that happened from this thread. Those reports were ACTUAL REAL reports from paying customers, not people who went to the show to slam it.

 

*sigh* You can only shake your head in disgust and disappointment so much about the hands in which the Coleco brand is currently in.

 

I read that a booth rental cost a minimum of $167, so when he is talking about that hundred bucks he made, it sounds like he probably netted no more $200 after the cost of the booth.  When he said "I didn't do horribly" and "I have done worse", it's really more of a glass half-empty statement than a glass half-full statement.  He probably could have done just as well at a big flea market.  

 

The prospects of a 2nd expo next year seem pretty grim.  Of the people who paid to get into the Expo this year, I doubt that many of them will be back.  I bet they will lose some of the vendors and the guests.  Given the issues with reputation and bad word of mouth, next year is not looking likely.  



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:10 AM

It would have been interesting to see what the show would have been without all the negative publicity and boycotting going on. Don't get me wrong, it may have been well deserved, but the reality is that the show was impacted by it all. If someone wanted to do a game expo there in the future, it probably would also be a bust due to this. In some way, Coleco was punished by the retro gaming community, but any one else who ever had a desire to put on a show will probably face an uphill battle due to all of it, and the local attendee community didn't get what it paid for.

 

The Phoenix GameOn expo has grown immensely in the three (four?) years that it has been going on which shows that there is enough demand to put on these types of regional shows.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:11 AM

I was fully interested in attending and or possibly getting a vendors table . I got 3 homebrews I've made I was going to put and maybe some comic books I've made. 

 

But when he started attacking the fan page, daniel, and others that was it. I was out. To me it was attacking freedom of speech.

 

None of anyone's business about the subject of my homebrew games for a defunct system. And though my games don't have any nudity they do have blood in the recent one and I ain't changing it to green blood either.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:25 AM

I was fully interested in attending and or possibly getting a vendors table . I got 3 homebrews I've made I was going to put and maybe some comic books I've made. 

 

But when he started attacking the fan page, daniel, and others that was it. I was out. To me it was attacking freedom of speech.

 

None of anyone's business about the subject of my homebrew games for a defunct system. And though my games don't have any nudity they do have blood in the recent one and I ain't changing it to green blood either.

oooohhh... Square blood drops are so scary!  LOL.



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Posted Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:38 AM

It would have been interesting to see what the show would have been without all the negative publicity and boycotting going on. 

 

It would have also been nice for Coleco not to have been assholes to the retrogaming community, too!  I'm sorry but they deserved every bit of the negative publicity they received and they brought it on themselves.  From the very start, all of this could have been totally avoided.  And Cardillo knew that.  It was his poor decisions and choices that brought all of this on.






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