+adamantyr Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 So now that I got my P.E. box going again, I am thinking I should acquire a SAMS card... I know the raw boards and components are sold on ArcadeShopper's site, but as I have stated previously, I am not a hardware person. I just would like to buy it already assembled and good to go. Anyone have one to sell, or know where I can get it? Also, I presume they are sold bare-board, since the clamshell cases would be an unnecessary expense. Is it possible to put one into the TI's 32k Memory expansion clamshell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I do not see the point of putting it in a clam shell that is 3/4 larger then the SAMS card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 I do not see the point of putting it in a clam shell that is 3/4 larger then the SAMS card? Mostly just for fun! "It says 32k but it's WAY more than that, bwa ha ha!" Also, it would protect the board from getting damaged. As is, it's laughable to think that you needed that much physical space for 32K. I've pulled it out of the clamshell before, and it's pretty clear even back in the day they could have placed a lot more chips on it if they had wanted to. Meanwhile I got an SD card that is 16GB, which is around 536 MILLION times more memory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I have a couple of boards that I'm in the middle of assembling for initial test (these have a few minor updates from the prior version, so I have to test them to make sure they work as expected first). I can sell one of those to you once I have finished testing. I built about 40 of them from the last batch for people, so I've got a lot of practice assembling these. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airshack Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Wouldn't you be kind of killing off a now somewhat collectible 32K card/Clamshell assembly to do so? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited May 23, 2017 by Airshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 One general note on TI metal clamshells. Unless the later card puts holes at all of the correct points, the clamshell will not properly close with the new card and if there are any traces under the metal lug just above the bus connector, you will have a lot of released smoke. . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'd buy a 3D printed clamshell if anyone decided to start making and selling them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 I have a couple of boards that I'm in the middle of assembling for initial test (these have a few minor updates from the prior version, so I have to test them to make sure they work as expected first). I can sell one of those to you once I have finished testing. I built about 40 of them from the last batch for people, so I've got a lot of practice assembling these. Excellent, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantgames:) Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'd buy a 3D printed clamshell if anyone decided to start making and selling them. Great idea! Someone needs to get on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Mostly just for fun! "It says 32k but it's WAY more than that, bwa ha ha!" Also, it would protect the board from getting damaged. As is, it's laughable to think that you needed that much physical space for 32K. I've pulled it out of the clamshell before, and it's pretty clear even back in the day they could have placed a lot more chips on it if they had wanted to. Meanwhile I got an SD card that is 16GB, which is around 536 MILLION times more memory... Just wondering how old are you? At the time chips were freaking huge compared to today as the Tech had only 7 years before been using Vacuum tubes. Look at the size if the 9900 compared to today for a good idea of the changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 I'll be 42 this year. I am not completely savvy with my electronics but I remember a lot of empty green on the 32k board... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I'd buy a 3D printed clamshell if anyone decided to start making and selling them. Kinda a large item but possible with the right printer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I'll be 42 this year. I am not completely savvy with my electronics but I remember a lot of empty green on the 32k board... You do know there are no mounting holes in the SAMS card for a Clamshell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 You do know there are no mounting holes in the SAMS card for a Clamshell? It was just a thought. It's been pointed out already as well that the TI clam shells have other issues and shouldn't be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmusr Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It was just a thought. It's been pointed out already as well that the TI clam shells have other issues and shouldn't be used. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I have a couple of boards that I'm in the middle of assembling for initial test (these have a few minor updates from the prior version, so I have to test them to make sure they work as expected first). I can sell one of those to you once I have finished testing. I built about 40 of them from the last batch for people, so I've got a lot of practice assembling these. Just out of curiosity, how much additional would it cost to manufacture a SAMS card to be the same height as a regular card? The /only/ reason I ask is that short-depth card is a real pain to remove if other cards are next to it. I realize one should not be inserting and removing cards often, but it happens, so I'm asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just out of curiosity, how much additional would it cost to manufacture a SAMS card to be the same height as a regular card? The /only/ reason I ask is that short-depth card is a real pain to remove if other cards are next to it. I realize one should not be inserting and removing cards often, but it happens, so I'm asking I think it would make more sense for a port on it to put the Speech Card on it or a modified clock card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 You do know there are no mounting holes in the SAMS card for a Clamshell? Does there need to be? If a 3D printed case was made, it could be custom designed (with raised retainers) to fit like a glove within the specialty case. Four screw mounts could be strategically placed to hold the two halves together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I do plan to eventually do a full-height SAMS board--but it will also have the possibility of having a larger memory space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Maybe I'm stupid (OK, no maybe about it), but wasn't the point of the clamshell to dissipate heat, kinda like a giant heatsink?? If I'm right there, wouldn't a printed clamshell made of plastic do exactly the opposite and seal in heat? (At least until the breathable bio-based materials and conductive metals are perfected for use with 3-D printers? (some say we might see such materials before fall) I'm of the mind that the less you wear the less you sweat, so naked PEB boards seem to be a wiser choice, (and unless you have a tinted glass front like a modern day gaming rig (which IS a cool idea), who cares?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Yea Plastic would be a real problem for keeping heat in, and metal tends to dump heat in all directions depending on surface area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I always thought the vents on the side of the cases, worked in conjunction with the design of the P-Box to direct air, as forced by the fan over the PCB's inside the cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Thin metal Clam shell case like CorComp case can dump much more heat than the heavy TI ones. I used the Spare CorComp ones instead as they seem to run cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 really, having such an open rear, the PEB isn't sealed enough to provide ideal airflow for effective cooling, although for the components of the time it was more than sufficient. Of course they didn't have to worry about the heat generated by a couple of modern GPU's or an X-Fi card (goshdarn but those soundcards run HOT!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXB Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 My Apple Mac Pro G5 tower was the hottest computer I have ever seen it has a much higher operation temp then other CPU's made. The damn thing could heat this end of the house when on in Winter. Also had 11 internal fans. In comparison my Intel Mac Pro tower only has 9 fans and most do not even turn on unless power up or I really have to make the other 7 processors work hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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